Small issues regarding Movie toys and Scale

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by SkyBoomer, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. SkyBoomer

    SkyBoomer Gogglebot

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    I have a bit of a problem... I love the TF movie line... But my only complaint comes to scale. For the most part, the toys I find myself really enjoying are the ones who are in a similar scale with each other. This means I can't find myself enjoying Starscream, Bonecrusher, Brawl (Deluxe), and Blackout due to their diminutive size when placed next to the Autobots.

    I'm sorry, but was there a reason they discontinued the "Ultra" scale? If it was up to me, Bonecrusher would have been better off as a Voyager, Starscream as an Ultra, and hell, Blackout as a Supreme. He is supposed to be the biggest.

    I'm not trying to complain here, I love the designs and transformations. But am I the only one who has this issue? Scale wasn't an issue for me before with the classic lines... But with the "realistic" look, I just want all my robots in the right size. What do you think?
     
  2. KingForm

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    It's all about cost, how many people would have bought Blackout at a Supreme price-point?
     
  3. SkyBoomer

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    I guess that's legit... But imagine the possibilities. Miniguns in his arms, Both rotors being able to spin (And perhaps the tail rotor could be held rather than the main one). Electronics! Sound effects!Classic Transformation noise, and that signature "Pulse blast" sound effect from when he trashed the air base.

    Oh man, now I want a Supreme Blackout even more.
     
  4. SureShot90

    SureShot90 Peace=superior firepower

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    TransFormers besides Alternators/Binaltechs have never been in scale and I doubt they ever will be.
     
  5. DELTAsnake

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    If they where all to scale Optimus would need to be about the size of his MP mold, Megatron would need to be the size of Ultimate Bumblebee, Starscream would need to be bigger than his MP mold, Bonecrusher and Blackout would need to be Leader Class at least and lets not forget about Arcee, she would need to shrunk to about the size of a 3 inch Titanium.

    Thats alot of work for Hasbro, and alot of expence for the end consumer.
     
  6. Chaos Muffin

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    You can always take your Autobot movie LOC's and make them battle deluxe Brawl.

    Always wanted all my Autobots to be basics & deluxes and all the Cons to be Megas Ultras, and Supremes, and maybe one supreme base or jet for the Bots
     
  7. ErechOveraker

    ErechOveraker I'm with Plowking.

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    The scale bothered me too, which is why I ended up having zero interest in Ultimate BB, even though it was kind of a cool toy, it was just ridiculous in size (compared to even mp standards).

    I'm still hoping someday we get a leader class Blackout, but probably not gonna happen.
     
  8. Prisoner1138

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    Except for the alts/bts already mentioned, scale has never been a consideration in the toy lines of transformers. The more popular they think the figure might be, the more likely to get a larger and more expensive figure.
     
  9. Bryan

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    Word. But fans have never been satisfied with this answer, and I doubt they ever will be.
    That's...a really good idea.

    I need to go buy me some Legends now. For, uh, display purposes. :confused2 
     
  10. rmac-69

    rmac-69 TF HUNTER

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    I found this interesting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_movie_toys

    It gives the scale on all the charactors action figure sizes.

    I personally agree that the size scale should matter when designing and making the toys. I don't care about the concerns of Hasbro. Look at the GI Joe line. Everything is pretty much perfectly to scale and they have always been successful.

    It was already mentioned about Ultimate Bumblebee. Thats gotta be one of the worst ideas they have come up with yet. If they had made an Ultimate Blackout or Starscream I would have bought it. But there's no way I'm going to add an oversized, over-priced Bumblebee to my collection. No matter how cool the features might be. But, then again, I'm not a completest. I'm a realist. :D 
     
  11. Dropshot

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    Scale... it continues to be my biggest complain about TF as well.
     
  12. 26_Mirage

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    Also...think back to the original G1 line. All of the original cars (not minibots) & Prime were pretty much in scale w/each other. How much cooler would the Constructicons have been if they were actually in scale with Prime & the cars?
     
  13. drsyn

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    I understand the wanting for scale, except that in the end, it hurts the brand.

    How many kids would be able to get a Supreme or bigger Starscream just because he was in scale to a deluxe sized Autobot car?

    You wouldn't have characters like the Combiners either, due to the sized difference of each of the vehicles.
     
  14. Greyryder

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    The article has the scales screwed up, anyway. Concept Camaro Bumblebee is 1/32 sale. I've got a few 1/32 scale diecasts to compare him to, including a concept Camaro.

    I'd just like to have all the ground vehicles be close to scale with one another, and all the aircraft close to scale to one another. Having the cars and planes in the same scale is just impractical. Even small fighters are frikken huge, compared to cars.
     
  15. Nevermore

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    How much more expensive would they have been? How many kids would have been able to affort them?

    ... and how horribly misproportioned would Devastator have been? The Constructicons weren't even in scale with EACH OTHER. Long Haul is based on one of those GIANT-ASS dump trucks like the Terex Titan, which, if kept in scale, would have given Devastator one hell of a crotch.
     
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    Scale of the movie toys don't bother me. Transformers (not counting Binaltech/Alternators) have been out of scale with each other since day one.
     
  17. rmac-69

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    Not to start anything, but they are close enough to the correct scale. So that's not even an issue.

    The fact is, I don't think any of us are looking for the exact same scale throughout a line. But when the cars are nearly the same size as Starscream and Blackout and as big if not bigger than Bonecrusher, it's just slightly rediculous. I don't think that 1/48 scale is too much to ask for with figures like Starscream and Blackout. At least that would be more realistic and a whole lot more desirable than a giant Bumblebee or BM Cheetor & Nightscream. :2c: 
     
  18. Sol Fury

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    I mostly prefer smaller toys, regardless of scale. I quite like the way the Movie line did things, though I agree, an Ultra Starscream or Blackout would have been cool. Blackout's main problem to me was that even as a Voyager, there was an awful lot to get in there.

    The overall scale has never bothered me, though. I much prefer smaller toys, more displayable, easier to handle, easier on the wallet. When you start getting above Voyager class, you start getting serious issues with space, cost, and (remembering Fort Max) gigantic limbs that make them pretty tricky to manipulate.
     
  19. stevej

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    As an adult collection the scale thing bugs the hell out of me. As a child they were toys but now I kinda treat them more like models - hence I love the Alt/MP line (and I'm bugged by the size of Starscream) and I love the G1 molds -hell, they're why most of us are here - but for the life of me I just can't place Hot Rod next to Jazz or Blaster next to, well, anyone, and I refuse to buy any combiners because they're only as tall as Shockwave.

    Yep, I'm really quite anal about such things. :) 

    I even considered buying some Classics but then using MP Starscream/Skywarp as part of THAT display. Obviously I couldn't buy Astrotrain though. I think that's more appropriate than having the MP seekers stood next to MP Prime. That just doesn't work at all!

    Maybe I'm in denial about buying kids toys.
     
  20. rmac-69

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    That's funny. Mainly because that's pretty much what I do. I pick out the ones that I like from each line and build my own little universe's. Infact that was one of my plans, to put MP Starscream in with the classics cars. Great minds think alike. :rolleyes2  OK, maybe thats a slight exaggeration where i'm concerned. :lol 
     

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