Should overweight passengers pay extra for airline tickets?

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Should overweight passengers pay extra for airline tickets?

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. MetalicGrunt

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    You fatist!
     
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    ... a division of Fat Air Fuels.
     
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    That's not even the same thing. When you take a flight, you are paying for the trip, not for the seating. Under your logic the fat person would be paying for the seats at the restaurant and not the meal.

    Whatever man, you just don't get it. It's not a black and white subject. Where does it stop?

    Should people who are too tall not be allowed to go the movie theater? Should they have to pay extra for a seat in the back so that there head doesn't block other people?

    Do any of the people hardcore bitching about this even take regular flights? Are you surrounded by obese people everywhere you go? Are they constantly sitting on you in flights? It's ridiculous. I hope one day you all suffer some indignity these people are constantly subjected to and rather than someone feel compassion for you, they snicker and laugh at you.
     
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    Here's an idea:
    What if they make the seating larger overall and then offer discount seating for smaller people? As it is, it seems like you have to be under 5ft to be comfortable on some airlines.
     
  7. MetalicGrunt

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    You are most certainly paying for the seat - why does standby exist if not paying for the seat.

    Also the Airlines view it as you paying for a seat. Here's AA policy:

    Extra Seat Procedures
    Updated: 31May13

    For the safety and comfort of all customers, American has aligned their seating accommodation policies with other major airlines regarding customers who may require more than one seat. The Extra Seat Policy applies to American Airlines, American Eagle and American Connection for domestic and international flights. A customer may elect to purchase an additional seat for privacy or because they are:

    Unable to fit into a single seat in their ticketed cabin and/or
    Unable to properly buckle their seatbelt using a single seatbelt extender (available upon request from a flight attendant) and/or
    Unable to lower both armrests without encroaching upon the adjacent seating space or another customer.
    The extra seat name should appear as 2.1PAX LAST NAME/ EXST for the extra seat.

    EXAMPLE: 2.1HOWELL/ EXST

    You will be required to enter SFPD for Extra/Additional Seats. You may duplicate the same SFPD data which was entered for the passenger even though the First Name is EXST. This information is necessary for ticketing only, it will not be sent to TSA.

    EXAMPLE:

    4DOCS/DB/01JAN53/M/HOWELL/THURSTON/BACKUS-N1.1
    4DOCS/DB/01JAN53/M/HOWELL/THURSTON/BACKUS-N2.1
    NOTE: The above is a SABRE format; for OA GDS formats, please contact them directly

    When a customer advises that they require an extra seat:

    Book two seats based on customer's request.
    There is no limit to the number of extra seats that a passenger may purchase.
    Extra seats are not exempt from Main Cabin Extra (MCE) or Preferred Seat purchase.
    If a passenger purchases an extra seat, and requests two MCE or Preferred seats or a combination of the two, the passenger will be charged for both seats, including taxes for both seats.
    If the agency is not on Direct Connect to obtain these seats the customer will have to contact American RES or go on to aa.com to request these seats.
    The same taxes apply for the second seat in the EXST name field.
    Charge the applicable adult fare for the extra seat, minus PFC charges:

    Retain the fare with the ticket designator SEAT to deduct the PFC charges.
    The ticket designator SEAT may be applied to deduct PFC charges. If the SEAT designator is unsupported by the GDS, you may choose to issue the ticket with the PFC charges.
    You may contact Sales Support for assistance for the SEAT designator for a PFC charge waiver.
    AAdvantage® upgrades are not allowed for a purchased extra seat, but AAdvantage upgrades are allowed for a cabin baggage seat.
    Extra seat tickets follow purchased fare rules for refunding purposes.
    If a passenger qualifies for an electronic ticket for the first seat, the second seat may also be an electronic ticket.
    Baggage policy applies to passenger's ticket only.
    Reservations for additional seats will be able to reserve or change seat assignments on aa.com.
    Extra seats cannot be purchased for a pet.


    https://www.aa.com/i18n/agency/Booking_Ticketing/eticketing/AA_electronic_ticketing.jsp#Electronic
     
  8. Dark Skull

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    Prejudiced? How so? I take it you've never had the pleasure of sitting in the window. No I'm not talking about the window seat. I'm talking about in the motherfucking window because some shamoo purchased his ticket and when he sat his huge ass next to you, you're not only not in your seat anymore, you're in the fucking window.

    Ok, maybe that's a little over the top there, but you get the idea. At the moment, before what happened in the article MetalicGrunt posted, the only option for this whole situation to be fair was to require those who needed two seats, to PAY for two seats. You want accommodation? That's how you do it. You want fairness? That's how you do it. Being fair means you cannot accommodate both sides here 100%. One has to give. Or both have to give. But it is not right to have situations like the one in the article posted earlier in this thread where a man had to STAND for 7 hours because the person next to him was too damned wide to occupy just the one seat he paid for.

    Oh, paying for the trip. Ummm....way to over simplify the matter. When you book a flight, does it not ask you to pick a seat in the plane? It does doesn't it? When you book a flight, and you book it just for yourself, do you not get one seat in the air craft? You do don't you? So, if by right, that you paid for a ticket in an airline that offers to get you to your destination by way of aerial conveyance, how do you....as a passenger go about that? Do you run up and down the aisle screaming like a 8 yr old because you're flying? Or do you sit your happy ass down in the seat that you chose/was assigned to you, that you paid for? Seating arrangements are part of that trip dude. It is also a part of what you're paying for. Nice try, but no.

    I beg to differ with you. It is you who does not get it. Using the fat guy in the restaurant is obviously a piss poor example to use as a counter argument. I have yet to see a fat guy in a restaurant sit in such a manner as to force anyone else next to or around him into a very uncomfortable seating position, or even so as much as to force anyone to give up their seating (as highlighted in the article posted a few pages back).

    Check MG's post two above yours.
     
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    I feel like discriminating on fat people is deemed alright by the general public as apparently anyone who is fat, is really just a lazy slob that does it to themselves.
     
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    Honestly man, it's not discrimination. I don't know why people even think it's proper to label such a situation as such. If you want to call it unfair for heavier set people to pay for two seats, then what do you call it when a man has to stand for 7 hours because he wasn't able to sit in his seat thanks to someone who's girth more or less forced him out of that said seat? What do you call it when someone is forced to be crunched up against the side of a plane when the person next to him has a girth that literally spills into their seat?

    Is that fair? So...for the people who are proponents for fat people only paying for one seat, the general idea is.....that it is not fair for fat people to pay for 2 seats, but it is sure as shit fair for others to be forced out of their seats or to be put in an extremely uncomfortable, and otherwise potentially unsafe position in their seats? How the fuck does that work?
     
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    The Incredible Shrinking Plane Seat

    :D 

    :lol 

    :lol 
     
  12. Bumblethumper

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    we've had more spacious seating available as an upgrade for many years now, it's usually called first class or business class.

    my suggestion was subtly different. Even average-sized people find airline seating a tight fit, so maybe there is an argument for making seats slightly bigger as the norm. You could then have compact seating available for those under a certain height and weight at a discount.

    Maybe people think it's all he same difference, but it might just be a little more passenger-friendly than the current situation where we pretend people should be able to fit into these seats unless they've self-inflicted obesity onto themselves and the rest of us.
     
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    Treating people differently because of who they are or what they look like is pretty well the exact definition of discrimination.

    I call it corporate greed coupled with a unrealistic view on what the NEW NORMAL is for the average North American. People are not getting any smaller and with Taco Bell serving breakfast there is little doubt that things will change.

    If the Fat person was provided an extra seat at no charge, the other people on the plane would be better off, no? More room and comfort for everyone. Granted, the overall fares could be affected, but at this point it's probably just a drop in the bucket.

    And remember this is not just over weight people we are talking about. Kevin Smith famously was thrown off an airplane for being too fat fly and he is a pretty big dude. By his own admission he was able to sit in the seat, with the arm rest down yet was still signalled out.