Shockwave history

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Funky Munky, Aug 2, 2012.

  1. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    If Shock was an '85 Decep, what was he doing in the very beginning of MtMtE?
     
  2. ZacWilliam

    ZacWilliam Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2002
    Posts:
    2,382
    News Credits:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Likes:
    +11
    Toylines AND Cartoons take a long amount of prep time to create. They certainly knew at least vaguely what toys would be out in 85 when the cartoon was being created. Remember Grapple (under a preliminary name) and the Dinobots, Skyfire and the Constructicons and Insecticons were all 85 toys that also appeared in S1.

    And we know that Omega Supreme and the Combiners (among other 85 guys) didn't appear in TF:TM because work on that was started so early they weren't finalized characters yet.


    -ZacWilliam, you generally gotta figure at least a year and more often 2 years between planing and when things hit stores or the airwaves.
     
  3. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    Yes, was Grapple "Hauler" that hauled up Hound?
     
  4. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
  5. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    Hauler- Decep turn Auto... that's something you don't hear about every day!
     
  6. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
    When was Hauler ever a Decepticon?
     
  7. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    When he was a Constructicon?

    Meh, wonder if parents were asking store employees where "Shockwave" was back in 1984.
     
  8. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
    But the Constructions were turned into Decepticons by Megatron... and Hauler was not among them when it happened... so he was never a Decepticon... Chronology, see!
     
  9. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    Chronology, my leakin' lubicant exhaust transformed to arse... That means Skyfire was the first Transformer on Earth and Starscream was already an Earthen jet back on Cybertron before they launched!
     
  10. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
    My brain hurts.

    Skyfire the first Transformer on Earth - as of Fire in the Sky, yes. No doubt about that.

    Starscream being an F-15 millions of years ago - that's an artistic error.

    There's no official fiction where Hauler was a Decepticon. Simple as that.

    1 and 1 make 2.
     
  11. LCDR Blindside

    LCDR Blindside Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2012
    Posts:
    4,527
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    151
    Likes:
    +3
    You see, it's extremely simple.

    The evil Constructicons were built by Megatron in 1985. As thanks, they travelled back in time to build Megatron. Megatron turned them evil in return.

    Hauler was just a random Constructicon that Megatro didn't build, but hung around the other constructicons. He didn't get turned evil, but he did help build Megatron.
     
  12. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
    Sums it up pretty well. :lol 
     
  13. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Posts:
    82,270
    News Credits:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    412
    Likes:
    +688
    Seems Legit.
     
  14. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    Not sure I got that.
     
  15. PrimusVsUnicron

    PrimusVsUnicron Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Posts:
    3,081
    Trophy Points:
    172
    Likes:
    +3
    but the Constructicons built Megatron, who brainwashed the Constructicon, and Megatron built the Constructicons
     
  16. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Posts:
    15,844
    News Credits:
    316
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Location:
    Germany
    Likes:
    +2,569
    In "Heavy Metal War", Megatron implies that the Decepticons built the Constructicons only recently, on Earth.

    In "The Secret of Omega Supreme", the Constructicons were originally Autobots who were turned into Decepticons by Megatron back on Cybertron over four million years ago.

    In "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4", Rodimus has a vision inside the Matrix that lets him witness the creation of Megatron, at the hand of the Constructicons. All... eight of them.

    Those three accounts all contradict each other at first sight. Fans have since tried to reconcile them ("Megatron didn't LITERALLY mean they BUILT them, he just meant 'they built new bodies for them'"), but just taken at face value, it's a triangular contradiction.
     
  17. Backstop

    Backstop Have you seen my box art?

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    Posts:
    4,195
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    201
    Likes:
    +3
    trying to figure out logic to the G1 cartoon is like trying to find a corner in a round room.
     
  18. ThrustJan

    ThrustJan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Posts:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    87
    Likes:
    +15
    Autobots with the Decepticon insignia :lol  ,another animation error..and the've already earth modes.
    Then,about Crystal city origin,is debated that Constructicons were a third class,different from the military Dec and workers Autob.
    They were engineers ,in fact built cities and robots.

    Everything is contradictory...it can be solved in this way:in G1 toon every writer created his own universe.
     
  19. Starscream Gaga

    Starscream Gaga Protoformed This Way

    Joined:
    May 19, 2011
    Posts:
    8,105
    News Credits:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +1,649
    Not just implied; in "Desertion of the Dinobots" it's an important plot point that they were made on Earth.
     
  20. Funky Munky

    Funky Munky G.I. Formers & Trans-Joe TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,148
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +11
    Yeah, but in the Solar Power Tower episode, Scrapper tells Grapple the Constructicons admired his buildings back on Cybertron.
     

Share This Page