Sentinel Prime talks out his @$$...

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  1. RedHeadKevin

    RedHeadKevin Well-Known Member

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    Seeing TF3 again last night, I realized how much BS Sentinel Prime spouts. Sure the lines sound pretty cool, but they're just dumb.

    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
    -Okay, this line is only in there for Nimoy. I'm fine with that. But for Sentinel to use it as his rationale for bringing Cybertron to Earth, to use humans as a slave labor force is just dumb. Are you saying that the needs of the few surviving Cybertronians outwieighs the needs of the 6 billion+ humans on Earth?

    "We were gods on Cybertron. Here we are just machines." (or something similar.)
    -This is kinda stupid. Everyone on Cybertron was a 20-foot tall Transformer. This is like Gulliver going to Lilliput and saying "I was a god back home, where I was just average sized, with no particularly interesting skills, as opposed to here, where I'm bigger, stronger, smarter, tougher and faster than any of the inhabitants of this place." On Cybertron, they were just... people. On Earth, they're amazing and special.

    Any other lines that really don't make any sense, but sound really cool?

    Also, I realized last night that Sentinel Prime looks just like Grandpa Chip from Talledega Nights. Check it out.
     
  2. PlanckEpoch

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    It makes total sense...it's called arrogance. These lines make a ton of sense. The "Needs" line implies that yes, humans are lesser, insignificant beings to be used and discarded to save the remaining Cybertronians and Cybertron. In his eyes, 6 billion beings is NOT worth as much as a few thousand remaining Cybertronians. Look at how he totally disregarded human lives when he went to get the pillars. He rampaged and destroyed just because he could. He could've just walked to the vault and tore it open and walked out...but instead he was killing and destroying. NO care for human life whatsoever. Humans are just insects to be crushed. Also note how he does not stop or isn't even concerned with the humans getting killed by the 'Cons when they're summoned.

    The second line is in contrast to their treatment on Earth. The Cybertronians were mostly subjugated and played by the rules of Earth governments. In Sentinel's eyes, THEY should be the rulers, and all humans should be bowing before them as gods. For good reason, as Sentinel proves that nothing the Humans have could stop them when he was rampaging through the NEST base.

    This is all part of Sentinel's characterization. His utter disregard for any lifeform that isn't Cybertronian. It's this condescending nature and arrogance that makes him a great badguy.
     
  3. Digilaut

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    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

    He wasn't talking about Cybertronians being more important than humans. He doesn't even give a shit about humans. He was talking about Decepticons, and Cybertronians as a whole, and how saving his race is more important than the Autobot ideal of taking care of other people and freedom and all that.


    "We were gods on Cybertron. Here we are just machines."
    He's not talking about Cybertronians in general. He's talking about PRIMES, which yes, were treated as gods, or at least kings, on Cybertron. Over here Optimus and Sentinel don't really get as much respect from the human leaders.



    So no, Sentinel wasn't talking out of his ass. :) 
     
  4. Overlord Balder

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    By rebuilding the life in Cybertron, new generations and new individuals would be born, Cybertron would be filled with life again, and judging by the size of the planet, much more Cybertronian than Earthly beings.

    His phrase means: "The Needs of a Planet filled with billions of beings outweight the needs of this planet."

    The Primes were considered GODS on Cybertron [or at least, descendants of the Gods, I.e the Original Thirteen Ones], He's refering to the Prime Dynasty not to the Transformers race.

    All of his lines make plenty of sense to me.
     
  5. Autovolt 127

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    I wish we had some of Grampa Abe Simpsons dialogue over Sentinel Prime's voice.

    Sentinel Prime: "Optimus Prime is not a Communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a Communist, but he is not a porn star."
     
  6. Rumblebee7

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    Actually in the book if Sentinel just broke into the vault the pillars would've been damaged/destroyed due to the vaults defense mechanism , also that he only destroyed half of the base and showed restraint , he also regretted all the harm that had to be done to the human race to get what he wanted for cybertron
     
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    I don't think he counts the human race as particularly notable.

    If there's an ant hive in your kitchen, you kill them all. The many ants don't supercede your own desires to have a clean kitchen..
     
  8. chaddi_90

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    Haha, good point
     
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    what is up with these threads lately?:sly: 
     
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    But that's the novel. I don't really give a damn about the novelizations. I'm only interested in the film canon. No offense of course, that's just where I stand on novelizations.

    I want to know about MOVIE Sentinel. Not novel, not comic. In the movie it's pretty apparent that he gives no care about human lives. The fact that he rampaged the base...even half...still shows how much of a bastard he is. He didn't HAVE to rampage at all. He could've connived the humans to letting him have the pillars. But he didn't. Instead he rampaged through the base to get them.

    It's the CHOICE of rampaging to begin with that's the issue. That speaks volumes to me about his character. He's more willing to just squash insects in his path than move around them. He cares nothing for the lives of humans.
     
  11. RedHeadKevin

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    Okay, so, I guess his "needs of the many" line could go towards the idea that "the needs of all Cybertronians outweigh the needs of just the Autobots or just the Decepticons."
    and his "we were gods..." line could be interpreted as "we PRIMES were gods." I don't think the "humans are insignificant" argument holds water, either, since he taught Optimus about freedom being everyone's right.

    Okay, the lines make sense, and he's just a rotten bastard.
     
  12. boxorak

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    Considering that Sentinel's the villain, isn't that supposed to be, you know, the entire point?
     
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    he was talking about the PRIMES being gods,
     
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    Yup yup.

    On Earth the Primes are no different to humans than any other TF. On Cybertron they were treated like, well, Gods.

    Also his needs of the many thing is supposed to show his scewed perception. He doesn't count Humans because he doesn't see them as people, just cattle.
     
  15. rook

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    The Primes are different, they actually were/are gods...

    But kind of raises an eyebrow, what exactly made Sentinel or Optimus gods compared to any other transformer of the time? Better fighters? Least deformed figures?
     
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    Man, you haven't watched the movie, have you?

    The Transformers were created by the Thirteen Original Ones [via AllSpark], seven of the Thirteen were Primes, those Primes had a dynasty [creatively called "The Prime Dynasty"], that dynasty used to rule Cybertron, Sentinel and Optimus are [obviously] members of said dynasty.
     
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    That, doesn't make Sentinel or Optimus gods, just the inheritance of what was. Apart from the spacebridge thing and good leadership skills, all that makes them are scientists with the rank of General.

    Heck, Optimus didn't even know he was a Prime until he started digging up artifacts. Even after the fact, no one really treated him any differently, Arcee even berated him for thinking he wasn't really concerned for her. You know, something you don't do when your addressing a god, your god......
     
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    They are descendants from Gods, that makes them something.

    That was never stated, the movie never specified if he knew of his nature or not, but judging by the fact he wasn't surprised when Sam revived him [and seemes perfectly aware of the Fallen's indentity], I'd say he was aware he was a Prime.

    The canonicity of my fanfic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>canonicity of the comics.
     
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    Could he have persuaded them to hand over the Pillars? Considering he just blasted Ironhide in the back, which was followed by Lennox calling everyone back to NEST HQ, I don't think they'd have handed them over willingly.

    Plus, his rampage has the secondary function of trashing the human military vehicles. Can't exactly attempt to pursue an enemy unit if you don't have the ability to do so.
     
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    Sigh. You missed my point also. The plan COULD have to just negotiate the pillars from the beginning. You know? Like NOT shoot anyone to begin with? A plan that could've avoided ANY conflict in the base that required him to be sneaky and cunning rather than being brutal. That's what I mean.

    We instead get a Sentinel who's only apparent plan was just to destroy and blast anything that got in his way...because he could. He got away with no effort even with Sideswipe and Bumblebee fighting for their lives. He did not care at all about pursuit since he knew he'd still get away with it anyways. Why destroy the earth vehicles and leave two perfectly functional Cybertronians who would be out to get you now?

    No, the plan was to clearly make a point. He could do what he want, take what he want regardless of what the humans thought. Fuck the humans and their rules...it should be the Cybertronians and their rules. That's how I saw that action.
     

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