Second G1 Insecticon Abilities?

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  1. Thyme

    Thyme Disciple of Yun-Harla

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    I was wondering if Barrage, Chop Shop, Ransack and Venom have the same creating clones and eating organic and inorganic matter for energy abilities as the original Insecticons: Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel do?
     
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    looking at their bio's on TFU theirs nothing to say they do or dont.

    I'd be tempted to just yes if only to help class them as insecticons.
     
  3. D-Unit

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    After reading their bios in MTMTE, it doesn't seem like they could do very much at all
     
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    I could be wrong, but wasn't the whole cloning thing distinctly controlled by only ONE of the original 3 insecticons? Like how bombshell was the only one with the whole cerebral shell thing?

    I could be remembering wrong, or it could even be different across continuities.

    Mathius
     
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    Yeah, only Shrapnel had the clone powers. Bombshell controlled minds, Kickback....uhh, kicked things.
     
  6. Thyme

    Thyme Disciple of Yun-Harla

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    hm ... well according to one of my co-works, they were able to practice vampirism on Micromasters in Dreamwave's Micromasters comic miniseries.
     
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    I object to the calling of Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel as the "original" Insecticons.

    From what I remember....They were all released at about the same time so they are all originals.
     
  8. Mathius Maximus

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    You can object, but you'd be wrong. Kickback, Shrapnel, and Bombshell were all diaclone origin toys, while the other 4 from '84 were released as part of a toy series that went out of business right when they were released (also in '84) (Toybox DX)

    Throw that information in with the fact that only the first 3 made the cartoon and had any kind of life in the comics, and they're always going to be the "original" insecticons.

    Mathius
     
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    Supposedly they didn't make it into the cartoon because the cartoon was also meant to be distributed to Japan to promote the toyline there, and Takara didn't have the rights to the Deluxe Insecticons.
     
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    And nothing you just said would make me wrong.

    Regardless of what toy lines these and other TF's may have originated from, from what I remember when they made their debut in the TF toyline, as Transaformers and Insecticons, they made it together....as a group of 7.

    And the fact that the 4 others had little to no life in any of the fictions is irrelevant to how the word "originals" fit by definition.

    Now if anyone has any info that dictates that Kickback and the others were inducted into the toyline first that would make my objection void.

    Sto_vo_kor_2000:thumbs2: 
     
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    REALLY? The first 3 were ORIGINALLY in the cartoon. The other 4 weren't. The first 3 toys were ORIGINALLY created. The other 4 were later.

    See how that works?

    Mathius
     
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    Yes really.

    Irrelevent to the issue.

    Many of the toys never made it to the toon at all.

    Also irrelevant to the issue.

    When the molds were created neither were part of a TF line.

    When they were inducted into the TF line is the issue.
    Nope.

    Because the characters on the show were created after the toys were decided on for the toyline.

    And thats how the line up goes.

    Toyline
    Comic/Toon

    See how that works?
     
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    ^You're wrong. The 3 we all know and love are the originals.


    The OP's question is pretty much irrelevant since there is no real canon other than the bios.
     
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    Right.

    Tell me I'm wrong but provide nothing to show me.

    Again I say, show me some info that dictates that Kickback,Shrapnel and Bombshell and were inducted into the toyline first and I'll rescind my objection.
     
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    The question was about the other 4's abilities based on the original 3's in the cartoon and comic. It doesn't exist. It's irrelevant.

    And:
    http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Insecticon_(G1)

     
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    Which has nothing to do with my objection.
    oooooooooo a Wikia entry , which is not much more then a fan runed info site.

    So in other words....YOU GOT NOTHING.

    For a 3rd time, show me some info [AS IN OFFICIAL] that dictates that Kickback,Shrapnel and Bombshell and were inducted into the toyline first and I'll rescind my objection.
     
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    Alright man, you're entitled to your opinion...no matter how wrong it is.
     
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    Again....show me how I'm wrong dont just tell me.

    And so far you havent shown me anything.

    As for my opinion being wrong.....not really possible in this case since I gave no opinion.

    I said I object to Kickback,Shrapnel & Bombshell being labeled "originals" since as far as I know they were all inducted into the toyline at the same time.

    So far you havent provided any info that would change that idea.
     
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    The "Deluxe" Instecticons were just extra toys for Hasbro to sell. Only the ones in the cartoons can be considered original. Kind of disappointing that the Deluxes weren't even featured as extras or clones.

    Primarily, they were just extra toys.
     
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    Irrelevant

    Why?

    By that logic "Buzzsaw" cant be considered one of the original cassettes since he didnt debut till mid season 2.
     

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