SDCC 2017: Saturday panel

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  1. AzT

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    Let's Create A Cartoon Series
    Saturday July 22, 2017 10:00am - 11:00am Room 9

    Experienced animation show creators, including Dean Stefan (Matchbox Big Rig Buddies, Quack Pack), Craig Miller (Curious George, Beast Wars: Transformers), Nicole Dubuc (Young Justice, Transformers: Rescue Bots), and Andrew Robinson (Kaijudo: Rise of the Duel Masters, Young Justice), take suggestions called out by people in the audience, first for a genre, then for a main character, then other characters to add, then the world it takes place in. This is a combination of actual show creation and a sort of improv game. It's a take on how a show is created-all the elements you must consider, such as what age group it's for, why the idea of it being about this or that would be too expensive, or why it can't take place on water if it's CGI.
     
  2. ssjkazer

    ssjkazer mr dyslexia

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    Start at the very start when optimus and megatron where like brothers and show off megatron growing the decepticons, have a long game of growing the characters like idw has, have a small cast like beast wars, start with optimus having some friends like dion elita one, megatron, bumblebee and a father figure alphatrion.

    This would allow them to tell untold storys, even if they never reach the war it would still be the prequel to almost everything then allowing them to have fun with characters like never before
     
  3. starquantumstratos85

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    ok random question can anyone tell me about the power of the primes and is there going to be a new star saber figure?
     
  4. jackgaughan

    jackgaughan Interner Soldier

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    I don't think you quite understand what this thread is about.
     
  5. ZapRowsdower

    ZapRowsdower Statistically, people enjoy 25% of what I say! :D

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    My suggestion is to stop removing the teeth from predators to make them more kid-friendly and mom-safe. :banghead:  A toothless TF show may be a thing for a while, but young boys like action, not family-dynamics and lessons on teamwork. :rolleyes2  (Plus, did adding all the jazz about vitamins help the cereal industry? They advertise to Moms now, but sugary cereals were never a thing that Moms wanted or could be catered into wanting for their children!).

    Is RB the worst TF show ever? I don't know - what I do know is that it's a direct contrast to the G1, GI Joe, TMNT cartoon staple we grew up with. And that contrast means something. It means that creators today believe those programs were too violent for kids, and that violent programming like G1 TFs ruined lives (or at the very least, significantly warped child development). I disagree completely. I don't think exposing young kids to G1 TF cartoons ruins them.

    I do think that removing firearms from programs like R.I.D. is idiotic, since punching someone into unconsciousness is by no means less violent than using a firearm. :rolleyes2  Firearm safety is a serious issue that all parents should discuss with their children; it is NOT a topic that television creators should control by removing gun existence entirely from their programs.

    That said, I'm not blaming Ms. Dubuc for these issues specifically, as I'm sure it's more of a network (or Hasbro) mandate, as influenced by an alarmingly more and more closed-minded group of moms. I just hope she wasn't hired BECAUSE she wanted to remove all the "violence" from TFs.

    I'm not crazy here: G1 TFs are kid-safe; TF PRIME is NOT. I don't know what went wrong in TF Prime, but there are clearly disturbing scenes in that cartoon that are not appropriate for young children (i.e. the dark colors and black shadows, the violently abusive Megatron with demon teeth, the creepy Airachnid and her plot to kill parents, etc.).
     
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  6. Darkryt

    Darkryt Combiner Enthusiast

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    If I\'m reading this right, it\'s more like an improve game where the audience pretend as if they were making a show, and then the actual experienced creators give input based on their experience, which enlighten as to why \"Well, why can\'t you do [X]?\".

    Not a \"Come design your own TF show!\" as some of us (myself included at first glance) seem to think.
     
  7. Steelfire

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    I don't think you quite understand what a helpful answer is ;) 

    We don't yet know much about POTP, we'll find out more at SDCC in about 12 days, and this particular thread is only tangentially related to that discussion.

    Two words: Target Audience. G1, TMNT, etc. were shows aimed at something like 8-12 year olds, RB is aimed at like 3-5 year olds (I'm sure those ranges aren't exact, but you get the idea). I think it's entirely appropriate to have less violence and confrontation in a show for that age range. I also think it's a big leap to say that dialing back the violence means that anyone believes the old shows "ruined" or "warped" kids; hell, the people making current shows are the ones who would have been "ruined" or "warped" by the old ones.

    ON TOPIC: yes this sounds like it's just a fun exercise designed to give insight into how shows are developed. I'd check it out if I were going since I'm into improv and I appreciate most of the shows these folks have worked on.
     
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    Does it have to be a TF show? Or are they looking for any ideas for a new anime show?

    Edit: Cause I'd like to see a new Robotech or Gundam show.
     
  9. Bass X0

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    For me it was and I watched most of Energon and Combiner Wars. I just couldn't with Rescue Bots; way out of my age range.

    No they weren't. If the same shows were released now, they would have been, but back in the 80s, the likes of Transformers and Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles were watched by five year olds. And I was one of them. Although some episodes like Dweller In The Depths and The Return Of Optimus Prime greatly disturbed me.
     
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    To each their own, I'm 33 and I like Rescue Bots.
     
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    It's a matter of personal taste, but RB has continuity callbacks both within the series and to G1, as well as the occasional sophisticated jokes and references sprinkled throughout, which make it a much more enjoyable series than Combiner Wars.

    "Aimed at" and "watched by" aren't the same thing. Regardless, my point is that the people making those old shows didn't think "Hey, let's make a show for 3 year old kids" whereas the makers of RB -did-.
     
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    It's easy to forget, but Rescue Bots was the longest running single animated series in Transformers history. So the people behind it were probably doing at least something right, and if you're planning a cartoon show, I think having people in the room with Beast Wars, Rescue Bots, and Young Justice on their resume is a good idea.
     
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    Someone just yell "Netflix" over and over again, I'm tired of TF media being dreck, in general. I mean, come on, Voltron, Trollhunters, Castlevania...they know what the fuck they're doing with animation, and Hasbro clearly does not. That said, seeing some people from Young Justice on there gives me a glimmer of hope.
     
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    I disagree on the target audience point. I get what you mean, but I never thought of G1 as too graphic for young kids (and that RB is superior).

    I think you miss the point: RB is a new kind of show that pushes a political agenda to remove all violence and weapons from programming. I don't think kids need to see Optimus blasting a Decepticon in the face (i.e. Bay movie), but I do think that RB's tone has been toned down to stupid. Interpersonal communication and kids directing emergency response teams? :puke:  It's the worst kind of idiotic pandering, where adults are generally too stupid to solve anything without kid help. G1 didn't treat you like a simpleton that way. :rolleyes2 

    But yeah, the people behind RB would absolutely condemn G1. And by people, I mean folks who think it's a great show for kids. It definitely represents something, and whether or not you can see the message... well, it doesn't matter. It's there. And society, as a whole, will suffer from treating kids like idiots. We remove the harmful images and treat children like they're the sole saviors of the universe... It's stupefying. :(  I want my kid to contribute, not to direct me. I guess if we look at RB as a really bad learning program, I can forgive some of its choices... but as a parent, I sincerely do not appreciate the messages in RB, nor its intent to make TFs all rainbow and sunshine.

    G1 taught us about DECEPTION and EVIL.


    You know what, forget it. It's not my cup of tea, and it's foolish to explain why. If you like RB, you like RB.
     
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