Scourge? The Scourge? or Nemesis Prime?

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  1. bellpeppers

    bellpeppers A Meat Popsicle

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    So, what exactly is this character's name?

    Is it Scourge?

    Is it The Scourge?

    Is it Nemesis Prime / Nemesis Convoy?

    Or is it Nemesis Prime / Convoy, with The Scourge or just plain Scourge being a Title?

    In RID he was called Scourge, but if I understand correctly (and I probably don't) Scourge is more of a Japanese name for Nemesis.

    So who is it?
     
  2. MrSoundmeister

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    well in the Japanese version of Rid (Car robots) He was called "Black Convoy" no seriously. well i think Nemesis Scourge sounds like a nice mix to me. but ill go with Nemesis Prime.
     
  3. Andrew28b

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    Well R.I.D scourge is black convoy in japan. Black convoy is portrayed as two characters in japan. An evil optimus clone or a black optimus that is the autobot leader. Nemesis prime is a different entity on its own, separate from RID scourge.
    I know its all confusing...
     
  4. Chris McFeely

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    First, there was Car Robots Black Convoy.

    Then, he got named Scourge for Robots in Disguise.

    Then, there was the black Optimus from Armada, who was named Scourge in Japan in reference to RiD.

    But in America, he was named Nemesis Prime.

    And most black Primes have been Nemesis Prime in the US and Black Convoy in Japan since then.
     
  5. bellpeppers

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    Well I do know that Scourge (The Sweeps) is not to be confused with Scourge / The Scourge (Nemesis)
     
  6. grimlock1972

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    Nemesis Prime, to me Scourge is an always will be the character from the 1986 movie and season 3 of G1.

    Edit: well damn I can't spell , i dun typoed a decepticon into an autobot! :banghead: 
     
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    Think of it this way - Scourge would have been named Nemesis Prime if they weren't pulling random names out of a hat at the time.
     
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    When you say "this character," what are you referring to? The guy from RiD is just named Scourge (Black Convoy in Japan). He was given the name before Hasbro got the bright idea of "Nemesis Prime."

    All of the subsequent characters who are homages -to- him have been named Nemesis Prime, but they aren't the same character -as- him.

    Also, I've never heard anyone refer to him as "The Scourge," though that is a cool sounding name.


    Really? Cos to me, Scrounge will always be a wheel with a special arm (there is no other like it) from the Marvel comics ;) 
     
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    i want a generations scrounge for straxus to beat up on, totally making a display of device label blaster next to generations darkmount with my copy "into the smelting pool!"
     
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    chrisr291 Master of the Unknown

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    Neither, Black Convoy:rock 
     
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    Agreed.... Black Convoy ftw!
     
  12. Sol Fury

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    To add to this, the Armada / Micron Legend Scourge gained an upgrade for Super Link called "Grand Scourge", which was represented in toy form only as a Pla Kit. This predated the trend that Chris mentions at the end of his post though.
     
  13. grimlock1972

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    I just have one thing to say fear me typos!:p 
     
  14. Lone Cat

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    Depending on the continuity, and the publisher. which one do you take it as a canon... between Hasbro, or Takara ??

    if you follow G1 concept, "Scourge" (sometimes called Sweeps, sometimes, Sweeps are referred to as Scourges) is more or less a cannon fodder, scaring the autobots/cybertrons through sheer numbers, but their combat effectiveness is questionable.

    if you follow RID, Scourge is Galvatron's "number 2" but has self duplication abilities.
    I believe that the "Nemesis Prime" concept had its roots on how does Scourge is called in Japan, Black Convoy. and.... being portrayed as "Evil self of Fire Convoy"... at that time. Hasbro didn't have any concepts revolving around Black truck being an evil reflection of Optimus Prime as yet. Regardless that "Evil Trucks" exists as early as G1, remember Motormaster, Onslaught, and Octane (whom, later tried to defect after fall victim to Galvatron's "new policy)? they all transformed into trucks but NEVER been expressed as being as powerful as Optimus Prime, or being his evil self.
    or they just forgot how "Prime Problems" work?
     
  15. Feralstorm

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    I have a personal distinction between "Scourge" and "Nemesis Prime". N.P. Is usually (not always) a direct Decepticon/Unicronian clone of OP, often from the same line (Alternators, Armada, Classiverse), while RiD Scourge (storywise) is a corrupted Autobot who took on Optimus Prime characteristics while scanning a form (scanning Op and a truck at the same time), not the same mold as RiD Optimus, and also the only 'black repaint' to get his own original mold (Spychanger, later repainted as Optimus).

    Though if you throw Japanese stuff and "Black Convoy" into the mix it all goes to hell. :D 
     
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    To me, he's Nemesis Prime.
     
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    I'd rather go and use a GI Joe trademark. NEMESIS ENFORCER!!! IMO, it suits the character better then Black Convoy or Nemesis Prime.
     
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    Motormaster.
     
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    I'm a bit confused by what your asking.

    Are you asking what "we" prefer to call him?
     
  20. Haloid1177

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    Scourge or Black Convoy. He was my favorite character in RID, and will call him by that name for all black Optimus Primes.
     

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