Before I begin, can I please request that people STOP using the icon or griping about having heard/read this already. Please do not gripe about others points of view. If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread besides not liking it, I humbly ask you to start your own thread about how you don't like my thread. Or, even better, just don't read my thread and move on. With that out of the way, I finally decided to see the TF movie for a 2nd time. I saw one of the fan trailers for TF2 and couldn't help but get pumped up. So I decided to revisit the movie and get reacquainted with it. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it first of all. Thats not saying much, since I previously abhored it, but it went from the worst movie ever to just a bad movie. The action scenes were nice eye candy obviously (Starscream's aerial acrobatics demolishing the human jets was the only original action scene), but the story was the thing that dragged down the movie. Different plot groups: I still think that there were way too many "cooks in the kitchen" so to speak. Hackers and army guys and sector 7 and family members and government types were just too much. I think if they had kept the hackers out of the movie altogether it would be better. And the family did not really need to accompany Sam all the way to Hoover Dam. The writers could have ended their roles much earlier. I think most people did realize that the hackers were quite unnecessary and hope the writers keep to a minimum number of plot groups. I think Sector 7 was also quite useless. They could have neatly wrapped them up into the government group. In fact, I think the government could have taken over the entire role of Sector 7 and things would have been streamlined much much better. I know that Sector 7 IS a part of the US government, but I wish they were just treated like a regular group like the NSA instead of this weird, almost cultish Sector 7 and their "original 7" - which added ZERO to the movie. While I strongly agree that the army group was a vital story element, I didn't really know what the point to showing a random soldier's wife and baby. It was uber cheesy - the kind of cheese you see 24 hour cable news shows try to exploit. And the random "middle eastern" kid was unnecessary as well. The soldiers could have found that settlement by dumb luck after wandering in the desert for a while. Shaky Cam/Simplified Design: Ah, shaky cam, how we love thee. The shaky cam wasn't as noticeable this time around tho it was still bad. I distinctly remember getting a headache from trying to make out the action scenes when I was in the theatre. Some of that was probably due to only being able to get a seat too close to the screen and having to crane my neck up to see the screen. However, even on a home TV, most of it was just a mass of jumbled metal. I could make out the individual characters and what they were trying to do, but I still could not make out individual body parts. I hope that ILM has somehow refined it or simplified the designs somehow so that there is less "jumble" showing. I am hoping that most of this is going to only be for the first movie. The producers have more money this time around so hopefully shaky cam isn't used to make up for the lack of CGI quality (at least that was its supposed purpose in the first movie). Also, I hope now that the CGI guys are doing this for the 2nd time, that they simplify the designs. I read somewhere that Ironhide's gun has something like 10,000 parts. Honestly, the only time I remembered seeing his gun was when he almost shot Sam's dog for urinating on him. And even then, having his gun have 10,000 parts didn't add anything to the scene. He could have held a simple laser pistol to the dog and the effect would have been the same. I hope they don't see the need to get so complicated with the designs for the 2nd movie. MacGuffins/Lazy Writing I still think using the whole "ancient grandpa's eyeglasses" as a plot device was silly. For some reason, TFs seems to want to be Indiana Jones sometimes. Now with the "Return of the Mummy feel" to the 2nd one, I am afraid that it might try to be like Indiana Jones again. Some of the plot was just plain nonsensical. Esp the part where Optimus loses Sam and Mikaela to Sector 7 for the 2nd time. The best way to have handled that would have been for the Autobots to just have had Sector 7 take Sam and his family directly to Hoover Dam. There really was no point in the TFs confronting Sector 7 other than to have Bumblebee pee on the Sector 7 dude. Before Sam rejoined Optimus, the only real purpose for Bumblebee was to have him shrink the cube. Another way would have been to have Frenzy shrink and try to steal the cube and get shot down or somehow contained by the humans. Then the humans could go to the TFs willingly and ask them for their help in stopping Megatron. Voices Optimus I thought had the best voice in the movie. Jazz I wanted to forget as soon as possible. Ratchet I thought was alright. I really didn't like Ironhide and honestly wished he had some bravado to his voice rather than the dull bass all the robots seemed to have. No cackles or shrills or monotone. No tenor, alto - just all bass. It was quite dull as far as voices go. If actor-voiced cartoons show anything - its that expressive voices totally MAKE a character. I hope they go with a wider vocal range this time. Characterization I think most everyone is in agreement in this department. In summary, I would not want to watch TF again. Its story is completely forgetable. The action scenes will soon be forgettable too when newer fancier effects come out. My biggest desire with the 2nd movie is a good, solid plot with crafty schemes and maybe even a surprising twist of events. Here's to hoping that the 2nd movie has a good plot and good characterization. Oh, and death to Shaky Cam!