Russia's Top Gun

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  1. Shin Densetsu

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    Russian planes are win.
     
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    Awsome find! :D 

    For a second I thought this was going to talk about a movie called Mirror Wars: Reflection One, which... that movie was kind of crap. I lost interest in that movie when they were showing a SU-27 (or a 33, cant remember) and they talked about it being the next generation stealth aircraft because of some electronic gizmo and not the design.
     
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    Migs were better planes than tomcats....they kicked ASS
     
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    In all honesty, F-14 was not built for dogfighting. It's main purpose was to play a mobile long range missile platform. It's radar allowed it to track 6 targets at the same time, and attack them from long range with Phoenix missiles.
     
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    Comrade You can be my wingmanski anytime..
     
  8. Shin Densetsu

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    In manueverability, yes. Avionics and situational awareness? Not even close.

    The F-14 was built with multi-role capabilities in mind, and was design as a multi-role fighter to begin with. Also, you have to take into account that it was designed as a needed replacement for the F-4, and at the time, the Navy knew that a plane that could not dogfight was not sufficient. Combat losses from Vietnam were much higher than anticipated, and with that taken into account, the F-14 was made to not only have long range and defend the fleet, but to also be able to escort strike packages to and from the target area, conduct multi-role missions, and dogfight when needed. If it was just going to be like the cancelled missleleer and F-111B, the bubble canopy, internal cannon, automatic wing sweep and coordinated flight surfaces for maneuvering would have never been implemented nor needed.

    The mobile long range missle platform idea died with the F-111B program cancellation. The Navy needed something that could do more than just that. Ironically enough, the Tomcat's most relevant missions may have not just been fleet defence, but as a long range strike fighter(Bombcat).

    The fleet did not develop the multi role capabilities of the Tomcat until much later on in it's time in the Navy, however the capability was always there.
     
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    Keep in mind that the higher losses in Vietnam- especially with F4 Phantoms- was that the F4s were originally built and shipped WITHOUT a gun because the designers were overconfident about the missiles' capabilities and believed dogfighting had become obsolete.

    The smaller, more maneuverable MiGs took advantage of that.

    Crews had to add a gun pod under the plane until the Phantoms were modifed and equipped with a cannon.
     
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    Those jet's would make cool Decepticons!
     

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