Reveal the Shield Jazz stats downgrade?

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by juise, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. juise

    juise TFW2005 Token Negro

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    G1 Jazz Stats..........RtS Jazz Stats...........Change

    Strength........5.......Strength...........6.........+1
    Intelligence....9........Intelligence.......6.........-3
    Speed...........7........Speed..............9.........+2
    Endurance.....7........Endurance.........7...........0
    Rank.............8........Rank................8...........0
    Courage........9........Courage............9...........0
    Firepower......5........Fireblast...........6..........+1
    Skill.............10.......Skill.................5...........-5

    That's a -4 point drop! It's a shame this new generation of Transformers is so heavily influenced by the bayformers, especially in a line that's an homage to the original G1 characters (I know RtS is everything, but I'm talking about the classics in the line). Not to mention the "black" guy has got to get the shaft :)  If there were stats for Animated Jazz it would seem he would rate even higher then his G1 counterpart. If anyone else is interested in comparing other "Classics" figure stats please post them here.


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  2. Anguirus

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    7 - 7 = 0, not -2.

    I do agree that his stats are way too low in certain areas and don't make a great deal of sense for the character, never mind the "downgrade" since 1984.
     
  3. juise

    juise TFW2005 Token Negro

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    Fixed. After editing it so many times to find a format that worked I was bound to F something up.

    Agreed on his odd stats for the character, but at least with the 84 stats you could chalk it up to the 10 Skill.
     
  4. GogDog

    GogDog Logic's wayward son Veteran

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    It is a bit weird to have a "special ops" character with a skill of 5. :lol 
     
  5. KnightHawkke

    KnightHawkke A Man, Who Does Not Exist. TFW2005 Supporter

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    couldn't have said it better myself.
    add that into a -3 on intel.
    what the hell man!!
     
  6. JazzMeister19

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    This really bothered me as well.
     
  7. KnightHawkke

    KnightHawkke A Man, Who Does Not Exist. TFW2005 Supporter

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    wonder how they are going to hose over wheeljack....
     
  8. SAF7

    SAF7 LOVE this game!

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    You know, if I cared about stats in the slightest, I would probably be irritated by this. :lol 

    That being said, it is a bit odd.
     
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    Earnest goes to spy class.
     
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    You guys pay attention to the stats? I stopped looking at them when it became apparent that they're rarely even consistent with the bio printed 2 cm away.


    Thundershack is a 'bot of few words. Feared across the galaxy, he prefers to let his electrosizema cannon do the talking. Although he is capable of vaporizing dozens of Autobots in a single blast, Thundershack will sometimes hold himself back and savor the pleasure of dismantling the mightiest of the Autobots with his bare hands. Even Megatron treads carefully when Thundershack is nearby.

    Strength........5
    Intelligence....9
    Speed...........4
    Endurance.....7
    Rank.............3
    Courage........8
    Firepower......5
    Skill.............6
     
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    You ready for the explaination? Usually when there's a difference like that you can track it down to a different version of the figure.

    For example, Classics Cyclonus uses the original Cyclonus tech specs while Henkei Cyclonus uses Targetmaster Cyclonus' tech specs.

    This was an interesting pickle, as there was no other version of G1 Jazz who had these stats. Pretender, Legend, none of them. This Jazz is using the movie figure stats. Autobot Jazz - Movie Main Line - TFW2005
     
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    I blame Michael Bay...
     
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    Time was, the tech spec numbers were just made up based on how cool the robot looked. Now it's a combination of that, and harking back to whatever the most recent version was. In spite of looks, I think Special Ops Jazz is very much meant to be the Movie character because that's the one that the casual man in the street might remember.

    It doesn't matter all that much, really. He's still a cool toy regardless if he's a Skill 5 or a Skill 10.
     
  14. F18Starscream

    F18Starscream Commander of the Skies

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    I really don't care about that. In my book Jazz IS STILL AWESOME!!!! And always will be nuff said!
     
  15. einis

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    now that's really lame

    but I agree with F-18Starscream jazz is still awesome to me
     
  16. 1984forever

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    I make my own stats. If Jazz is special ops, then the 5 in skill sucks. Based on his G1 performance, I would rate him a 9. He took down Bluestreak using minimal force in "Attack of the Autobots". That precision hit to Bluestreak was all "special ops".

    Jazz's intelligence should be an 8 for RTS based on the G1 cartoon and specs. In my world, he's a 7. This is because I believe that Prime and Megatron's intelligence should be an 8. How can these military minds be as smart as a scientist like Perceptor? In the G1 cartoon they certainly were not. I also rate in intelligence-

    Wheeljack 9

    Prowl 8

    Ratchet 8

    Mirage 7

    Bumblebee 7

    Soundwave 9
     
  17. Fez Findie

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    Ditto; Tech Specs can not be taken seriously and this shows why.

    Was bothered by the drop in skills >< What the fudge? Jazz is suppsed to know his sh*t and they put more than a dent on that?
     

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