Rebirth and Headmasters?

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  1. MaxLinden

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    How does Rebirth fit in the Japanese Headmaster series.... It seems like Rebirth doesn't even count it as a part of the series.
    What do you guys think?
     
  2. MaxLinden

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    Because I was trying to see if I could fit rebirth story in my dub of headmasters.
    But it seems Headmaster throws out that idea.

    Yes, I did see Headmasters but I never really researched about that because at the time, I didn't really care.
     
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    Rebirth doesn't. Japan didn't even air the Rebirth series and went straight to headmasters. It's two different stories. In "Headmasters", the title characters are small transformers with larger bodies, not transformers with humanoids as heads.
     
  4. MaxLinden

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    Thank you for explaining.
     
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    It didnt.

    Headmasters takes place after "The return of Optimus Prime".

    And it ignores "the rebirth".
     
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    If I had a wish to be made, it would be that Rebirth never existed and Headmasters was dubbed into english using the voice actors from Rebirth along with the music and effects used in Rebirth. I just find the Headmasters music to be quite generic and not as catchy as the music used in Rebirth. I also found the quality of the script to be better in Rebirth than in Headmasters.

    Although this way, the concept of Nebulans may be a comic only thing since Budiansky came up with that idea first whereas Japan did something completely different. It wouldn't have mattered much though to have had the headmaster and targetmaster partners as organic humanoids in one medium and small robots in another.
     
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    If Headmasters became official US canon in placement of the Rebirth, woudn't that fuel more fire to the fans who hated the movie for killing everybody?
     
  8. MaxLinden

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    I'm using the english music, don't worry.... Its just hard to find the right voice actors.
     
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    what about me? i haz a good voice.
     
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    ...except that, outside of mythical "kewlness" from years of Western fans not knowing much about it, the Japanese Headmasters series is utter pants. The stories are nonsensical, animation poor.
     
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    Plus, Wheelie and Daniel eat up screentime like Unicron eats up planets.


    To think: they could have had any number of "veteren" characters go along with the newbies, and they chose Wheelie and Danny.


    Plus they killed off Prime again, in the third freaking episode.
     
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    Couldn't agree more!

    Headmasters is awful. The actual Headmasters themselves are boring and have no characterisation. They constantly shout "Transform! Head On"... which would possibly be bearable if it was just once, but it's always four times in a row! Why???

    Also, now I know that the American series was known for the animation errors, particularly in season three... but at least they bothered to animate all the scenes. Headmasters happily represents a big explosion with a shaking still image. Nice!

    Oh yeah, and the fight scenes. So once per episode the Autobot and Decepticon Headmasters will get together... to stand right next to each other and constantly punch each other in the face... for about a minute and a half... accompanied by comedy sound effects such as "UUFF", "HAI" and "UNGGH". Oh and I hope you like that "fight music", because you're going to hear it ten zillion times.

    :puke2:  Headmasters.
     
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    That I know.... >.>
     
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    Me and Drew are going to try to make Headmasters more enjoyable.... Change alot of the lines around, get rid of that annoy "Head on" crap...
    And it will be only G1 music.... No Headmasters music.

    But I don't think Headmasters was that bad of a series...
    I enjoyed some episodes... Just sometimes it was bad.
    About after episode 26 is when stuff started to get alittle.... In the middle with me.
     
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    If you can't figure out that killing off Optimus is a bad idea, you FAIL. And you deserve it.
     
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    Oh, I was just releasing some of my disdain for Headmasters in a controlled fashion. :tongue:  I bought a boxed set of all three Japanese G1 series several years ago. I'd heard about it and knew that it was a different continuity to Rebirth, which I was fine with because I expected a great full length series... and let's be honest, those green faced Nebulans were a bit embarassing.

    But I was so disappointed to find that instead of getting more Transformers but in the Japanese language, I was watching the worst kind of generic anime. I don't pretend that "American" G1 is some kind of masterpiece, but it has a distinct saturday morning cartoon style, which is totally different to what Headmasters is. The best kind of anime series have really intelligent, thought provoking sci-fi ideas and good character development... much more interesting for an adult than the aforementioned saturday morning cartoons.

    Headmasters isn't like that... it's the worst kind of serialised anime. It seems the writers didn't have any ideas, the characters aren't memorable and the plot is weak. But there is still this long series that needs to filled up with stuff, so you get lots of episodes where literally nothing happens, and you don't get a pay-off. If you're going to change a series that resets at the end of each episode into an episodic, story arc format, you actually need a strong, intelligent plot. Otherwise you replace the fast paced fun with slow paced boredom, and you still have all the embarassing childish stuff, because it's still aimed at kids.

    Oh look, I've gone and ranted again. :)  Well, good luck with your dubbing effort. I'd definitely be interested to watch it, to see if you can improve the dialogue. I wonder how different it could be with just the original G1 music and transformation sounds.
     
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    I actually preferred Headmasters to USG1 S2 and 3.

    Go to TFCog and they've got fandubs of the first 5 episodes. They use the G1 music too. Quite enjoyable. They also did the entire run of Victory which is good but the guy voicing Hellbat is atrocious.
     
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    They obviously realized it was a silly idea to bring him back in the first place.
     
  19. DrGrim

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    Everyone gives the TF 86 movie (which is in my opinion the most epic piece of Transformers fiction ever) shit for killing off Optimus, Starscream, and all of their favorite characters from seasons 1 and 2 and replacing them with new characters.
    If Headmasters were the official season 4 in place of Rebirth, wouldn't that be even worse? Prime's dead again, Ultra Magnus dies!, Galvatron dies, Rodimus Prime takes back the role as Prime just to QUIT! and take the matrix with him when his troops needed him the most because CYBERTRON GETS DESTROYED!!!, Blurr and Kup leave with Rodimus too. All of that just to replace our beloved G1 guys (which we were excited to see this series to see their story continued) all killed off and replaced by the Headmasters - a repeat of the formula that everyone hated from the 1986 film to an even greater degree! But while they decide to off all of our favorite characters we get to keep Arcee, Wheelie and Daniel!? Why did they have to kill off all of the most popular characters like that? Couldn't they just fade those characters out to show the new characters?
    Headmasters had potential to do great things but fell short.
    I know everyone hates The Rebirth because it was so rushed and had too much crammed into 3 episodes, but at least it let the series end with Optimus Prime and all of our other heroes alive and well ruling victoriously over a new Golden Age of Cybertron.
    Masterforce was worse. They followed that all up with the Transformers not being Transformers (must of them anyway) but being a bunch of first graders using their bodies. And we get Optimus Prime back and in his awesome Powermaster body, but he's NOT Optimus(Japanese people must have HATED Optimus Prime), he's some trucker who stole his lifeless body. And not one of the Cybertronian Transformers even make the connection like: "Hey, that's Prime's body!" like they've all forgotten who Optimus ever even was to them.
     
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    Although Im ok with Jap Series, I cosign most of this. I love Overlord, Desaras and Black Zarak. These were my reasons to watch anything after G1.

    Shit I liked the rebirth!
     

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