Random thought about rubber

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  1. Autobot X

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    What are Transformer tires made of? I guess possibly rubber, once they're on Earth, but what about while on Cybertron? It's not like they have trees for natural latex. Some sort of synthetic? Of course, it might be hard to synthesize something that has yet to be discovered.

    Just curious, is all.
     
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    I don't even know what tires on Earth are made of...
     
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    They are made of rebbur, which is, incidentally, pronounced just like rubber.
     
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    For that matter, what are their leather seats and upholstery made of? :) 
     
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    Space cows?

    Or Turbofoxes, which is my new favorite Cybertronian Animal ever.
     
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    random thoughts about rubber?

    hrm- don't call em that in front of your date unless she is asking for money up front.

    keep them in a vest pocket or somewhere that doesn't generate much heat.

    i prefer ribbed because it is all about her...

    and rubber wheels on TFs are better, value wise, but for longevity, i think plastic is better.
     
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    Well do we know that the transformers have rubber wheels and leather interiors in their cybertronian forms? I mean, they could easily be a synthetic polymer similar to rubber, but as for the seats, why would they need seats inside them at all if they'd had no exposure to humans? I mean, after they were exposed to humans, it all makes sense that they'd use earth materials to try and mimic the source of their alternate modes as closely as possible.
     
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    I imagine their seats in Cybertronian modes would be unupholstered. After all, when you see other seats, in bases or on space craft, they're usually just bare metal, so it'd make sense that any interior seats in TFs would also be just bare or 'painted' metal (Idon't think it's ever been established exactly how they're coloured, either :p ).

    Wheels, I think would have to have some kind of rubber-like surfacing, even if it's just the equivalent of a rubber band round the rims, as metal wheels running on metal roads would be a nightmare to control; you'd get next to no traction at all. But yeah, some kind of synthetic polymer should do the job. Your Cybertronian scientists wouldn't necessarily need to know about rubber in order to synthesise it; they'd just need to know the kind of properties that are required, and how they'd go about formulating a material with those properties.
     
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    I'm going to say when they scan for their alt mode, they scan the molecular structure of said object, and change their own molecular structure to a similar compound.
     
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    Don't forget the even less creatively named Titanium Moose-Bot. They have ailerons, apparently. :) 

    I think this is an extremely problematic explanation. This would mean that every transformer comes complete with a wide-spectrum molecular scanner and, for all intents and purposes, a built in Star Trek replicator? The implications of that alone are so staggeringly ridiculous that it only points out why self-contained instant replication tech is the worst thing to happen to the Transformers fiction... possibly ever.

    Of course all this talk of "synthetic polymers" is kind of a cop-out... "synthetic polymers" is just a magic word that means "some kind of thing made by science I don't understand". :) 

    We really don't know much about the physical composition of Cybertron, whether it's Primus or not. Is it wholly a construction like the Death Star, an assembled and bolted together mass of machined and manufactured metal plates and beams? Is does it have soil? Mineral deposits? Do things grow there? It's all so vague.

    Side-stepping the usual questions of why TFs turn into vehicles on Cybertron at all, complete with cockpits, seats, etc... I think I'm willing to say that TFs probably have SOME kind of substance (obviously from "non-organic" sources, though even the term "non-organic" is kind of impossible) that is soft, spongey, flexible... essentially like rubber. Machines are made out of so many materials other than metal, we must assume that Cybertron's own natural resources yield a wide variety of materials... fluids, gels, gases, soft solids/plastics, glass, etc...

    Logically, a TF fresh from Cybertron, if analyzed by human scientists, would probably be composed of almost entirely unfamiliar or alien materials that don't necessarily fit into our Periodic Table. On the other hand, a TF that has been living, fighting and being repaired on Earth for some time (like the Ark crew) would probably be composed of a mix... metals and plastics from Cybertron, but also salvaged resources from Earth as well.

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    They have to have some amenities for passengers on Cybertron, even though it's pre-human influence. I mean, in G1 we see as early as 2 minutes into the first episode that it's not uncommon for them to be :::ahem::: *inside* one another.
     
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    It's not impossible to put 'organic' - using the chemical term rather than the general one - materials together as long as you have raw carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Nitrogen give a whole bunch of other possibilities as well. Aerogels and nanofoams would presumably be known to Cybertronian materials scientists, and it's possible that G1 tires (and other panels) are simply black (or red, or blue, or...) via structural color rather than paint or underlying properties of the material itself. It's not hard to make metallic 'skins' or coverings for a compressible underlying metal framework of thin wires or beams, and its shape and 'softness' could be controlled magnetically.
     
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    I have nothing intelligent to add to this thread, just that I laughed my ass off before clicking on the link to post this.

    To save face and not make horrible jokes, I'm going to not read a single post and move along my merry way. Have fun!
     
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    I think the reason "organic" is a difficult term to use in this context is that a lot of materials that we think of as being "inorganic" have organic origins... plastics, metals, oils, various minerals... these are things found in nature, often the product of billions of years of organic life stacking up over time.

    Cybertron has a pretty inconsistent origins and a vague ecology. I wonder if the reason we never see a more in-depth exploration of the science of Cybertron is because anyone who's tried has given up, realizing that TFs are so inherently implausible that the whole thing becomes an exercise in futility. :) 

    To put things in context I'm actually a proponent of the first origin of TFs, the "gradual interaction of tiny gears and levers over millions of years" theory of TF evolution. For me it's just the right mix of science and tongue-in-cheek fantasy. :) 

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    I am soooo tempted to put that in my sig.
     
  19. Grimwing

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    Repairing Uniform breaking ease restraints R.U.B.E.R.

    It's a integrated computer repair linked polymer so that when the rubber like wheels get damaged the self repair systems can just change out the damaged surface area.

    It goes without saying that wheeljack probably has to calibrate those things on everyone constantly.
     
  20. Cinemastique

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    Sort of like this excerpt on scale and mass-shifting from Teletraan 1:


    "Scale in Transformers is, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed.

    Virtually no era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of Transformers has presented scale in a logical or believable fashion. (The only exceptions are the 1:24 toys for Alternators and Kiss Players, but they have their own problems.) Most fans agree that one must either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to explain these problems and in the process fanwank themselves into oblivion. "

    :) 
     

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