Quick grammatical question.

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  1. Skywave

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    A quick question for you all about how to write something. For exemple, in the phrase below;

    "Show us pics of your Transformers, be they're in robot mode or alt. mode."

    So is the part in bold correct, or is it something that just can't be said like that? It feel totally weird to me written like that :confused: 
     
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    It should be "Show us pics of your Transformers, be they in robot mode or alt. mode."
     
  3. Skywave

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    Awesome, thanks :D 
     
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    english is complicated by people who over-complicate the language, intentionally or unintentionally.

    and then some just don't bother at all...lol.
     
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    I've just been trying to explain to my American girlfriend the difference between things being 'The Bollocks', 'The Dog's Bollocks' and just plain 'Bollocks'. I don't think I succeeded.
     
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    No kidding. We probably have one of the most complex languages in the entire world. Especially with all those verb phrases and such.
     
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    Try visual aids.
     
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    LOL! I'll get me some 'flash' cards. :p 
     
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    Is it the same concept as our: "that's the shit," "the dog's shit" and just plain "shit!" (as an exclamation like when hitting your hand with a hammer)?

    (pardon my Anglo Saxon)
     
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    ^ Excuse me, Jazzmasta32, I happen to have a job and I have been performing my duties.

    The " 're" contraction isn't neccesary, you already have the verb "to be" in that clause functioning properly. I don't even know what it's trying to do in that sentence. It's gibberish to me.

    Furthermore, the reason why it is "be they in robot mode or alt mode" is because this is a use of the subjunctive voice. The subjunctive voice is used for hypothetical situations and conditionals. Basically, anything that's not a straight statement or a question formed from a straight statement.

    However, be careful not to confuse the present subjunctive form of the verb "to be" (be) with its imperative form (be), or its infinitive form (be, to be).

    Over the past century, the subjunctive forms of verbs have been phased out of the English language. At this point the subjunctive voice and indicative voice are almost completely morphologically the same, though they do have syntactical differences at times. It's fast coming to the point, however, when only context will be useable for differentiating between the two, which I find abhorrent. It limits the ability to use the language precisely.
     
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    I believe that will do. I shall use those as a common frame of reference with the missus. Although if I say 'the dog's shit' I could also be pointing out I have a crap dog. :p 

    I don't though - my dog's lovely.
     
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    Ahahahahahahahahaaa!

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    You're too much for me!



    English has degraded a lot over the years and its common use, even among educated people, is filled with slang. Its lost a large part of its complexity through this process and has gained a significant amount of obfuscation by means of idiotic phrases like "I could care less/I couldn't care less" which do not mean what people think they mean.

    The culture around the language is complex, but the language itself is fairly simplistic, as can be seen by the disintigration of the subjunctive mood and noun declension and by that our verbs only have the perfective and imperfective aspects.
     
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    Hell, in modern English we don't even have to differentiate between the personal and the polite, unlike the Romance languages. We're also bloody lucky we don't have a tonal language either, that adds a whole new level of sophistication.
     
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    ^ I haven't even studied those kinds of languages. Chinese frightens me, so deliciously complex. I want to find someone who speaks it fluently to teach me.
     
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    Honestly, I gave up on talking & writing "correctly" a long time ago because it's usually a losing battle. Nowdays, I mostly just focus on not looking like I'm retarded.
     
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    ^ If you've only been exposed to English as it is taught in schools, of course you'll never be able to speak it properly. They overcomplicate it, I suppose in a misguided attempt to separate it from Latin and other languages. Get a copy of Wheelock's Latin and learn the real nuts and bolts of subject/accusative languages. It's easier to understand than you might think.
     
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    Well, I'm too lazy for that, so...
     
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    Well played... But we shall tango yet again!
     
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    Of course, and maybe next time I can wear the dress.
     
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