Questions on Beast Wars

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  1. Ironhide29

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    1- How come the Autobots or Decepticons the couldnt find any artifacts from the Dark Side and the Axalon when re-awakend?

    2- The Golden Disk that Megatron speaks on the episode The Agenda was this way before the 1986?? Cause he says I feld.

    3- How does Ravage comes back to Prehastoric Earth when one of the Ravage is still inside Soundwave inside the Ark in stasis lock as you see Soundwave in an episode when Megatron(Beast Wars) enters the Ark.

    4-In the last episode you see the Nemesis blow up, The Nemesis is it the Ship that the Decepticons faught the Autobots in Space?? It's confusing. And another thing how could the Maximals take an Autobt Shuttle back to Cybertron and the Autobots havent even noticed when the re-awakened??? And when they arrived on Cybertron with the same Shuttle they came back in present time and the Ark and shuttle were destroyed in Five Faces Of Darkness.
     
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    Because they had no reason to search for whatever bits that the maximals missed before they left for cybertron. anything that was still around would have been buried and covered over by nature long before they woke up.

    His past self being there doesnt effect his future self's ability to go back in time using transwarp technology.

    The actual golden record was sent out to space in 1977. dont know how they reconcile that in the series.

    It is.

    They probably just figured it got lost in space when they were attacked.

    Time travel doesnt work the way you think it does. the destruction of the ark in five faces of darkness has no impact at all on what was in the ark before everyone on it woke up.
     
  3. darksage78

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    Concerning the shuttle thing, Blackarachnia mentions that the historical datatracks don't make mention of it when Rhinox tells her that history is still being written. This means that the Beast Wars were pre-destined, they were meant to go back, blow up a moon leaving Earth as we know it in G1 with only one moon, etc.
     
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    The Maximals also tried to make sure there would be little to no trace of themselves for the Autobots / Decepticons to find when they woke up. They probably had some idea about the limitations of the sensors of the Ark, as well as some records of where/how to hide stuff so noone would stumble across it, including humans.

    As for the golden disc, its possible that Megatron intercepted it in space after one of his failed offensives against the Autobots and then put it back into play as a temporal trump card. He could have even reoriented its course so that it would be found by the Cybertronian historians who had it at the beginning of Beast Wars.

    Keep in mind the Ravage in "The Agenda" isn't the same one as the one in Soundwave's chest on the Ark. It's that Ravage, hundreds of years older, rebuilt, and using time travel aware of the conditions of his past self. Sort of like how Marty McFly can interact with past versions of himself in the Back To The Future series.

    And yes, that's the same Nemesis. It being reactivated and shot down again made it end up in the proper location and condition for the Decepticons to find it when they wake up in G1. Just like how taking the shuttle on the Ark meant the Autobots didn't have the shuttle to work with during G1, even when the Ark was eventually destroyed. The shuttle was basically "out of play" in terms of the timestream between when the Maximals left and when the Maximals returned to future Cybertron.

    The key to remember is that in Beast Wars, objects act independently of their timestream, and are affected only by their relative present. If you used a transwarp jump for a year, everyone outside the jump would be a year older, and asking where you were last year. If you jumped back a day, stole your friend's wallet and then jumped back to when you left, he'd end up looking all over the place for his wallet (which he wouldn't be able to find, because it technically would not exist in the universe for that day) until you gave it back to him after you returned.

    And yes, time travel is a headache.
     
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    If you watch "More than Meets the Eye" Part 1, the Nemesis is seen drifting off and presumably crashing elsewhere on Earth. BW Megatron found it and used it. I don't know if it blew up completely in BW, but it was heavily damaged and fell back to Earth. In the episode "Microbots", the G1 Decepticons find it. So while it is confusing, it's not exactly contradicting anything.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Also, Beats Wars would be an excellent title for an episode about Soundwave and Blaster.
     
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    The Darksyde and Axalon were trashed by Tigerhawk and Rampage respectively already, so not much remained anyway, especially with Tigerhawk. And as said, the Bots and Cons had no reason to look for anything to do with their species, since it was an uncharted planet to begin with. Plus, before the Maximals returned to Cybertron in Nemesis, they probably went around cleaning up things like corpses, ships, whatever.

    It was launched in 77. Probably just an error. 86 is when the Great War of G1 began.

    The Ravage that came to earth to catch BW Megatron is the same Ravage as the one in the Ark. The Predacon Ravage is the future version of the tape inside Soundwave, and it didn't affect him at all to be close to his old self.

    Yep. By then, the G1 Bots and Cons had already fought in space and crashed into Earth. The Nemesis was already crashed into the ocean, where Tarantulas somehow found it and fixed it up. After Rhinox took it out in Nemesis Part II, it crashed onto the mainland, where the Cons found it in G1.

    The Autobots probably assumed it was lost during the crash, as said.

    Uhh... there probably was a bit of a time flux with that shuttle... but when Megatron destroyed it, all was cool.
     
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    What i want to know during the 400 years that the Bots and Cons were in stasis lock the Beast Wars accured my question is Maximals and Predecons lasted how long on Prehestoric Earth before the the Autobots and Decepticons re-awakened?
     
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    You're not being very clear. Are you asking how long the Beast Wars lasted? No one knows, but it surely happened over a period of a few years.
     
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    4 million, not four hundred.

    And while it's never stated, they probably spent a few years.
     
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    The Autobots and Decepticons reawaken 4 MILLION years fter they crash on Earth.
     
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    Check out the episode Microbots

    YouTube - Transformers: Microbots 1/2 HD

    I think this is suppose to be the Nemesis? Well, the Decepticons had 2 ships on earth in G1 right? The one at the bottom of the Ocean and this one.
     
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    Yep, accordin' to TF Wiki, that's the Nemesis.
     
  14. Ironhide29

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    In episode 1 of Beast Wars I remember Optimus Primal saying to Rattrap " Remember The Great War Rattrap if the Predicons get enough Energon they will start it again" is he refereing to the G1 Great War??
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I am also confused with the episode The Nemesis Part 1 who built the underwater layer?? It wasnt the Autobots and Decepticons impossible cause they were in stasis lock, the the only one who could of build it would be Terantulas...Confusion unless you know who build it.
     
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    they outright say Tarantulas built it, along with installing the predacon-scaled controls in the ship. so there shouldnt be any confusion.
     
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    then when the Decepticons and the Autobots re-awakened how come they couldnt find Tarantula's lair??. And another thing i noticed the 2 Decepticons ship crashed in the Ocean when in the Episode Microbots you can see a Decepticon floag ship inside the Hills.
     
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    I think what he's asking here is how much time passed between the Beast Wars and MtMtE. I've got no idea though, so can anyone else answer?
     
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    They had no reason to look for it. and again. the earth is always changing, especially under water. it was probably destroyed and buried long ago.

    However long it took for humans to evolve, and then get to 1984. a long time.
     

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