Prime: Know it all?

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  1. jametron

    jametron Release the Kraken!!!!!!!

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    When Prime is telling Sam about how his great grandfather found Megatron in 1897, he tells it in such detail ("he accidentally activated Megatrons navigation system"), as if he was there under the ice with them... Now, I know the Autobots are aware of the glasses and all from eBay, but how is Optimus privvy to the details that he tells Sam?
     
  2. Julliant

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    I think Sam's great granddad (or whatever) wrote it all down in his diary/log entries, which in turn ended up in the government archives and internet.

    That's my guess anyway. TF is full of plot holes.
     
  3. RedWolf

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    Remember Bumblebee was sent there to scout it out.

    Bumblebee made a net search of any clues to the Allspark.

    When he found out Archibald's scribbles and description of the Ice Man ,he tried to find his decendants.

    Prime is likely familliar with Megatron's operating system noting that Megatron must have uploaded data into Archibald's brain.

    Well since Archibald is pretty much dead his glasses are next best thing as to where the Allspark crashed.
     
  4. jametron

    jametron Release the Kraken!!!!!!!

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    Well right on! That all sounds good, thanks you two...

    Yeah it really is, but I still enjoy it for what it is... entertainment and a couple hours of escape-ism.

    But I find the biggest problem to be not a plot hole per se, but bad story writing. The whole ending revolving around Sam having to protect the AllSpark is ridiculous considering the first 3/4 of the film the Autobots are adamant that no harm be brought to the humans, yet in their most desperate hour do any of them take on the task of protecting the cube? No. Bumblebee handing off the cube is excusable because he just had his legs blown off, but why did Ironhide and Ratchet merely swear to protect Sam as he dangerously has to make to a rooftop to hand it off to MORE HUMANS??? Either IH or Ratchet should have manned up and taken the damn thing themselves!
     
  5. Valkysas

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    Ironhide and Ratchet would be easy targets, due to their size. They needed Sam to make the run because he was small, and harder for megatron to track.
    Megatron can take any autobot in a one-on-one fight. Do you think Ironhide would be able to outmaneuver megatron, or hide from him? Could Ironhide hide inside a building?
     
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    It was just a hipothesis. Part of something magical called scientific method.
     
  7. jametron

    jametron Release the Kraken!!!!!!!

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    Good point.
     
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    big deal... generation one has even more plot holes :lol 
     
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    My only plot issue was how the location of the Hoover Dam was etched into the glasses in the 1800s.
     
  10. Sso02V

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    it wasn't the location of the Hoover dam, it was the location of the Allspark, which humans built the dam over to hide its energy signature.
     
  11. dark_mullet

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    Humans found the cube after they found Megatron. The cube was moved TO the Hoover Dam.

    So Megatron basically effectively looked into the future to what the co-ordinates of the All Spark was GOING to be.
     
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    I don't know where you're getting that from, the cube has always been there, I think they flat out say it in the movie but I don't feel like popping it in to get the exact line.
     
  13. Julliant

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    Wot?

    They found Megatron, then the Cube, then moved Megatron TO the Cube, then built the dam around the Cube. Where are you getting your info?
     
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    I think I can shed some light on this...

    Judging by the prequel comic book:

    Prime sent the Allspark to Earth. It landed where the Hoover Dam would eventually be built. It never changed location. Megatron memorized this location and headed right for it. Before Megatron reached the Allspark, he was caught in Earth's magnetic field (I assume "gravitational" field in the movie is a typo) and went into some kind of stasis lock.

    While Megatron never physically got his hands on the Allspark, he did have the ability to shoot onto the glasses the last known location. For example, if the humans had moved the Allspark, then those glasses would've been worthless.

    As for how Prime knows this and all that detail about the grandfather...

    Shrug. Perhaps Unicron told him?
     
  15. dark_mullet

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    According to Wikipedia, "The All Spark is revealed to have landed on Earth, specifically in the Arctic Circle, and then subsequently moved to the future site of the Hoover Dam."
     
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    according to Wikipedia, the Allspark could've landed in care-a-lot, and been moved to South Park.
     
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    Wikipedia or the movie, novel and the animated prequel, which should I trust? Its Megatron who landed in the Artic Circle, not the Allspark.
     
  18. jametron

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    Yeah. Wiki is wrong on that one (big suprise LOL). As most have already said, The AllSpark never moved once on earth, merely covered up by the Dam.
     
  19. Torque

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    i dont remember where (i think it was the prequel) that the Cube did in fact move-to a small cave oe something for storage, then eventually brought back to (or close to) the original spot.

    but yeah, Prime knowing details was probably stuff he figured out from the glasses and Bumblebee's scouting.

    and, sadly, wikipedia is off a bit-that seems to be Megatron's moveabout story
     
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    no, i think they mean magnetic-basically, Megatron located the cube, but when he went in to retrieve it, the magnetic poles and whatnot of Earth messed with his systems like a magnet messes with a computer. it threw him wild, causing him to transform and land in the ice-since he was in robot mode, he didnt have the protection from cold his jet form did, thus freezing him.

    and the reason the magnetic field didnt effect the Autobots is that Bumblebee probably had a similar issue that Megatron did, just landed somewhere else. then he warned the other autobots when they came to earth. OR maybe their Protoforms were specifically made to not be harmed by magnets, but Megatron didnt have that.
     

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