Prime Fan Watches Transformers: Generation One

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  1. Primeultra

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    No you got that confused, remember Beast Wars takes place in Earths past, so the ship that the decepticons used as a base wasn’t built yet in the Beast Wars

    The ship called Nemisis in beast wars was the original ship the decepticons attacked the autobots in when they came to and crash landed on earth on 4 million years go

    BW Megatron found and used it, it crashed again and was later redound by humans in the episode Micrbots.The episode where G1 Megatron finds the heart of cybertron and Preceptor and others shrink down to go inside him to take it out

    The ship the decepticons built on earth in the 3 part pilot crashed as well and it was that ship the decepticons used as an HQ

    It was called the Victory “Retroactively” in a reference book

    To make long story short

    The Nemesis ; built over 4 million years ago, used by G1 Megatron to attack the Ark, both ships crash on earth

    An unknown amount of time later the ship is found by BW Megatron, and soon after crashes again

    In 1985 it is found by humans

    The Victory; built in 1984 on earth by the then awakened Decepticons, used to try to get back to cybertron, brought down by sabotage, crashes back to earth all in the pilot episodes

    Is then used by the Earth bound decepticons as a hq/base
     
  2. Moonscream

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    Ahhh...d'oh, you're right. But what reference book? That thing that Furman wrote that was supposed to be 'definitive' (damn I can't spell tonight, probably should go to bed. :p  ) that IMO was full of his own BS? Or was it an IDW one I'm brain farting about?

    --Moony
     
  3. Primeultra

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    I don’t really remember the title of the reference book, “the ark” something I believe

    I don’t give much credit check books that retroactively name stuff 20 or 40 years after the fact, I know one of those books had names for all of the ghost that we see in the matrix in the episode five faces of darkness but I take that with a grain of salt
     
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    The Ultimate Guide. And yeah - a lot of apocrypha in that thing.
     
  5. Primeultra

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    Not that book , the ship got named in Transformers: The Complete Ark

    I don’t think you can call it “apocrypha”

    Hasbro allowed for that book, and others, to be published, making it canon
     
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    My bad. I misread. I was filling in the blank for the book @Moonscream was talking about, which is a bit of a mess.
     
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    No prob
     
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    Yep, that waste of perfectly good trees is what I was thinking of. I tossed it at a secondhand store...fortunately missing everyone in it. ;)  Seriously, I sold the thing like the day after I bought it it was that crappy.

    The other one, tho, was that anything official or something a fan came up with?

    --Moony
     
  9. Primeultra

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    Just in case I’m confused and you’re asking about something else? If you are referring to the two books mentioned the ,ultimate quide and the complete ark ,are both official books
     
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    MAKE TRACKS

    Oh, fuck, this has been a while... Uh, anyway.

    So, this episode is about Tracks becoming friends with Raoul, a young Earthen lad. This is after 80s-looking thugs with pink mohawks and the like try to break into Tracks, which ends up in them being tracked to their headquarters and they and their dealer end up being arrested by the Autobots. Tracks ends up confronting some more punks during a drive, ending up with one of his tyres being shot and his hood being damaged; however, Raoul finds him and starts to patch him up to sell him to the Geddis brothers. Meanwhile, Seaspray pushes a car out of the sea and Hoise and Huffer fix up the streets after a fender bender. Raoul is starting to have second thoughts about selling Tracks to the Geddis brothers, but before that could come to fruition, the Geddis brothers arrive and start to rough him up because it was "one minute after midnight". After seeing this, Tracks drives up and forces them to stop, causing the brothers to flee, surprised that a Transformer, who was supposed to be their ally, was attacking them; Tracks and Raoul chase them across New York - Tracks even becomes a flying car to chase them down! - to no avail, but Raoul reveals the location of the Geddis's main garage. They arrive there and discover over 500 stolen cars - part of the Decepticons's latest plan!

    Meanwhile, Cosmos and Powerglide get into a scuffle with Starscream after they spot the Decepticon in the skies of New York. They end up having to save the humans inside a lift inside a human mall, but they lose Starscream. However, Optimus deduces that Starscream was heading "south western" towards the Pine Barrens, which must be their headquarters. We find out that the Geddis brothers are working with Megatron to bring the cars to him for the latest plan; after the Geddis brothers bring the last shipment of stolen cars to the Decepticons, they ask for a "million dollar payment", which works out as well as expected - they even try shooting at Megatron! A still-damaged Tracks tries to go undercover, but he's nearly smashed by Hook; obviously not wanting this to happen, he breaks cover and tries to escape, but his wire that connects to his main computer snaps again, causing him to shut down; Raoul manages to distract the Decepticons long enough to repair the wire and make Tracks able to transform again. Ravage and Rumble are deployed by Soundwave to hunt down and kill Raoul and Tracks, but the rest of the Autobots sent by Optimus arrive and put them in their place. The Decepticons's plan is revealed!

    Tracks, Bumblebee, Inferno and Hoist are sent to defend the Chrysler Building from an attack by some of the rebuilt cars; the firefight causes the building to burst into flames, which are doused by Inferno. Meanwhile, Inferno, Huffer and Windcharger defend another part of the city from the gun-toting drones. Ratchet realizes that the drones are reemote controlled and that the base is located in New Jersey, and so Blaster jams the control frequency so that the Autobots can escape to attack the Decepticon fortress. Raoul tries to destroy the main console with a crowbar, but this goes about as well as expected. Megatron, to Tracks's fury, uses Raoul as a hostage to force the Autobots to drop their weapons, but the day is saved when Raoul opens a panel on Megatron's chest and sprays paint into it, causing the leader to short-circuit and forcing the Decepticons to retreat yet again.

    As for animation errors, the stolen cars randomly appear and disappear as Tracks travels through the conveyor belt,

    To be honest, I don't know if I'm gonna keep doing the animation errors as it does seem redundant at this point considering the fact that this show is notorious for animation errors. Maybe if something egregious comes out, then I'll do it again, but I'll have to see.

    As for my personal opinion on this episode, I liked it. It was really interesting seeing Tracks, a (from what I've seen) pompous and vain 'bot form an unlikely friendship with a punk - it's not something you'd expect, to be honest. I'd be interested in seeing Raoul return again, especially if it continues to delve into Tracks's character. Tracks's obsession with his paint job (from what I've seen and heard around the internet, anyway) is also interesting because it's not something you'd typically see in the Autobots; not that I have a problem with it, it's still really interesting! Season 2 seems to be focusing on individual character development as far as I'm aware, which I welcome completely; it's better than having characters just be one-dimensional. I also have a question as to how in the seven fucks Cosmos and Powerglide can fit into a human mall. They're giant robots; you'd think they'd be too big to fit in without damaging the building. Like, seriously - they're giant robots. Did they scale up the buildings in noir New York so that the Transformers can fit in to buy, uh, motor parts or something? When did that happen? Anyway, all in all, I still liked the episode and am looking forward to what's next.

    So, next up is Child's Play, which I understand that there's a specific order to watching these episodes - unless I don't remember that correctly.
     
  11. Primeultra

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    There were some malls in New York City back in the 80s that would have been big enough for those two characters
     
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    Id say Powerglide and Cosmos are not so much problematic. Starscream though, now thats a problem.

    Regarding the episode continuity, it would be best, if you watched the Master Gambler immediately after you watched Childs play. Not that they interfere in anyway or form to one another, just that the intro of the Master Gambler takes place immediately after the events of Child play. So you wont have a "What the hell are those guys doing there?" moment.
     
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    Thanks - I'll keep that in mind when I watch the episode (later tonight? Tomorrow? Eh, I'll see what happens, I guess)!
     
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    I do have a soft spot for those NYC based episodes, even if they're laughably bad in retrospect.

    NYC gang life through the eyes of people who only watch The Warriors and MTV. And of course nothing is more 80's than a woman's dress with shoulder pads bigger than a linebacker.

    Such fun.
     
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    Oh, fuck - it's been a whole year since I started this! I started this back when I was 15 and was still at secondary - now, I'm at college (and far busier, tbh) and am, uh.. 16. Yeah.

    Thanks for tagging along, everyone! I'm planning to do another interview either tonight or tomorrow!
     
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    CHILD'S PLAY

    This episode starts with the Decepticons attacking a baseball stadium whilst setting up a space bridge (to transport energon cubes to Cybertron iirc); they start to mess about with the humans there until the Autobots arrive. A scuffle takes place, leading to the Decepticons being resoundly defeated (including with one of them being hit with a light-board); as Perceptor tries to run a scan on the space bridge, Megatron shoots the space bridge, causing a group of Autobots and the Decepticons present (minus Megatron) being sucked through the portal to a planet called Brobdingnag (as named by the Allspark Almanac II according to the wiki) as well as the energon cubes. Awakening on the planet, a giant ball lands on Starscream and Soundwave is ambushed by a ferocious monster... a giant alien cat thing called Nitro; Ravage is caught in a plant as well. Suddenly, a giant alien boy enters the room and finds the Decepticons as the Autobots, convinced the Decepticons here have been neutralized, load the energon cubes in the trailer and ready themselves to leave; the boy called Aron ends up having to track down the Decepticons after they try to escape, leading to, for example, Ravage being put next to an elephant-rodent hybrid thing called Booper. Starscream is the only Decepticon who manages to escape and flees to the toy building; he then shoots at the energon cubes, causing a fire, alerting the boy to the building who says to Starscream that what he did was "very, very bad" and locks him in a box. As Inferno douses the flames, Aron's parents come into the room and ask Aron about the fire in the room; Aron tells them that they were Decepticons, though theey don't believe him until they actually see the Decepticons - this leads to them thinking that they're dangerous critters; after this, Nitro reveals the Autobots' presence to them, forcing Nitro to reveal them to his parents. As a result, the Transformers on Brobdingnag are taken to a laboratory where the head scientist analyses these mysterious robots and decides that, since they don't know their origins, it would be best to dissect them! Fearing their lives, Aron grabs the Autobots, who had been placed inside a transparent box by the parents, and runs outside, and is as a result chased by the scientists, two guards and his parents.

    Aron is now hiding behind a trashcan and is out of sight from the authorities; however, the local bully called Marty finds him there and threatens to "break [his] nose" if he doesn't show him what Aron's hiding from him. The Autobots manage to jump into the traschan itself and Aron manages to ward away the bully, who throws his lolly into it. Despite being kinda stick, the Autobots are nonetheless okay; however, the Decepticons, with no one watching over them, escape the facility and head outwards into the surrounding area. As Optimus tells Aron about the fact that they want to return to their home planet Earth, the authorities spot Aron and so the Autobots are forced to jump into the sewers and plan on meeting up with Aron later; the Decepticons follow the Autobots and a fight takes place. A wave of a water-esque liquid arrives and sweeps up the Transformers. The Autobots ride the wave in a tea cup, leave through a drainage pipe and return to Aron's house, who is being told off by his parents for his involvement in the event, who "could have had germs". As the parents give the boy a kiss goodnight and leave the room, the Autobots return and Perceptor decides that perhaps modifying the light cannon in Aron's room would allow the Autobots to return to Earth "within seconds". However, a quick fight ensues and the Decepticons manage to convince the Autobots into letting them go through using Bumblebee as bait. All seems lost, but Aron finds a toy rocket that the Autobots could use to return home; Perceptor modifies the rocket a bit and the Autobots finally leave Brobdingnag for the stars.

    I'm thinking about phasing out the animation/art error section because it just feels like it's redundant to be honest - a show made in the 1980s is probably gonna have quite a few errors. However, in this episode, there were quite a few... egregious errors, such as the boy missing his head and left arm, and, in one short scene: Prime walks past the toy rocket, Bumbblebee grows through Aron's skin to enter it and Nitro licks Bumblebee and his head stares into my soul. Yeah, you can kinda tell this was made by AKOM, to be honest...

    I liked this episode. It was really interesting seeing a race of organics be so tall that the Autobots are mere toys in comparison; humans must be barely the size of their finger if that's how small the Transformers are. It was also surprising seeing Megatron not be involved in 90% of the episode, especially considering that he's the main antagonist of the series (for now, at least). I'm not saying that that's inherently a bad thing, mind - it's just surprising considering the fact that Megatron is the instigator of the conflict in most of the episodes of the series so far. If anything, I do think it's a breath of fresh air for the show and allows them to explore other characters more. Considering that this seems to be tied to the next episode, I'm interested in seeing how this develops (I believe they'll be travelling to an asteroid called Monaco iirc). The parents of Aron are also definitely one of the better parents in fiction; though they do play a role in the Transformers nearly being dissected, they are still obviously loving towards their son and are very protective of him.

    So, up next is The Gambler since it makes the most sense. Hopefully, I'll have it up either later or tomorrow.
     
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