Power of the Primes (PotP) Appreciation Thread

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  1. Spekkio

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    Custom fodder? Base for Trentulas faceplates?

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    Incidentally, I've been thinking about the "Power of the Primes" conceit, i.e. big bot connects to Prime, is able to use that Prime's powers. It's interesting that the relationship often seems to go only that one way. I was looking at the chart, and sometimes the "evil" Primes (Liege Maximo, Megatronus) corrupt their bearers, and sometimes not. Sometimes the "good" Primes (Prima) make Decepticons good, or pseudo-good, and sometimes not.

    I dunno, just interesting to me.
     
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    Ironically I gave prima to nemesis prime and use the rod cron description for him. Seems fitting after all. Used the rod cron description of megatronus as he's paired with tr Megatron too.
     
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    It’s kind of a shame that Repugnus is the last of the ‘Titans Return’ Monsterbots. Despite him being my favourite of the team, I feel like I’ve said nearly all I have to say about this lot in my Doublecross and Grotusque rambles.

    So, to swiftly restate the key points; I have no memories of these guys, either from the comics or the toys, I first became aware of them from reading ‘Maximum Dinobots’, and I finally got all the toys the same day I finally got Fortress Maximus…at the tender age of 35.

    So really, that just leaves me to talk about the toy. And the toy is, in my opinion, fucking fantastic. I have no idea who dreamed this guy up. He’s the most abstract monster of the three Monsterbots. Doublecross makes perfect sense if you believe in two headed dragons, Grotusque works a treat if you can hold a gargoyle, a tiger, and…some other shit in your head at the same time. But Repugnus? Fucked if I know man. He’s a big, grinning, bipedal bug with spare mandibles and arms that make me think of a praying mantis. What could make more sense?

    And if that sounds like any sort of complaint, let me assure that it’s not. This is a toy that excites the imagination. I see Repugnus and I feel like a kid again. I want to put him in a bush and have him jump out and ambush some passing Decepticons, laughing all the while like a giant robot bug version of DC’s ‘the Creeper’, with whom he happens to share a colour scheme.

    All three of the Monsterbots had the ‘cold spark’ gimmick, but it’s Repugnus that incorporates it best. As you press the trigger on the top of his head his mandibles chomp down. It’s a wonderful, almost unnecessary touch that adds to the feel of this toy being better than it needs to be. Every now and then you get a Transformer that’s had so much care and attention put into it’s design that you can’t help but wonder if it was someone’s pet project.

    The robot mode fares poorly when compared to the monster mode, but is a really good robot. The transformation is smart and simple and gets a lot done in a few inspired steps. I’m particularly enamoured with the way that the monster arms form to fold the very distinctive looking chest. It’s far from a perfect ‘bot mode, with the blocky chest giving him some unfortunately stubby arms, but it’s still very good.

    I had two thoughts when I saw the Titan Master Repugnus: “cute” and “shit, this means we’re probably not getting a deluxe to go along with Doublecross”. So glad to be wrong about that last one.

    I thought that the Titan Master Repugnus was going to be one of my favourites of the Titan Masters but I was tremendously disappointed when I got him in hand. The head design is perfect, but man…it would have really benefited from just a touch of paint on the mouth. The design of the body is a bit weird, with the big wings (that have no relation to the original toy) and rather sloppy integration of the head. The other two modes are even worse. Such a pity!

    I was delighted when I found out we were getting a deluxe Repugnus as one of the Prime Wars special editions. With speculation that this could be based on the PotP Rippersnapper mold, I was even more delighted when it was confirmed that Repugnus would be based on the Doublecross/Grotusque mold. Much like the Titans Return Decepticon Targetmasters, there’s something incredibly satisfying in seeing a sub-team all being based on an extensive variation of the same mold. It really does something to make them seem like a coherent unit.

    Oddly, he’s a tiny bit underwhelming in person. Maybe I’ve seen the mold in action too much, but it seems to lack the wow factor that came with seeing how they pulled off Doublecross, and reinvented the mold with Grotusque. Both the robot and monster mods just seem to lack that OOOMPH that the other two had. They’re both perfectly competent and if I’d seen Repugnus before Doublecross or Grotusque I’d maybe have been more impressed.

    The monster mode has some excellent details, like the hinged jaw and the clear green plastic used on the head that gives the eyes an unearthly glow. The downside is that that painted clear plastic is VERY delicate, and I’ve already had to glue a mandible back on. They’ve been smart to keep the monster-arms-to-robot-chest transformation, but beyond that there’s really not much to distinguish it.

    One fun wee kink of this is that those of us that bought the Titan Master have the choice of two heads for our Deluxe; one for the animation model and one for the original toy design. My personal choice is the toy design, and not just because it matches the paint of the figure better. But how fun that we can choose?

    There’s perhaps something quite cynical about the fact that we’ve got two of the three Monsterbots as high end special releases, with the attendant price tag. And of course, like the compliant consumer I am, I’ve snapped them both up without any hesitation. While I enjoy getting these extra characters that ‘can’t’ be fit into the main release schedule, I can’t help but wonder how sustainable this approach is.

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    i recently picked up the prime master figures. i love the pretender shells! i wish they would have colored the inner robots same as the g1 inner pretender robots.
     
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    As always, a very enjoyable "storyview". I for one was completely enamored with this release. I was not particularly fond of "Doublecross" (even though I like dragons in general), and Grotusque was decent but nothing particularly special to me, but getting Repugnus not only completes the team, which makes me very happy, but stands out as the best of the three. With a choice of heads (I went with the TM bug-eyed look), his own personal mini-me (who I think is adorable and gave a signficant paint job), unique weapons, and a 4 armed fan mode, I just can't put him down. Most importantly, he made appreciate the other 2 monsterbots more, and now has me wishing they were Voyager sized so they could be more intimidating to my Decepticons, fighting alongside the Dinobots, and showing the Terrorcons the real meaning of Terror!

    Repugnus turned out to be my favorite of the 3 Amazon exclusive releases of late, barely edging out Punch/Counterpunch. Blastoff is nice to have in his proper form, but he went straight on my constantly displayed combined-mode Bruticus without a second thought.
     
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    I like windcharger..
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    With primes and combiners it seems like a missed opportunity to not do a nexus prime combiner.
     
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    Windcharger is so underrated, granted just from the cartoon and comics I never got an idea of his personality but I'd like to see more of this magnetic Autobot.
     
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    Makes me think if I should have picked a POTP Windcharger earlier.
     
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    No, I got mine at b&m.I was just complaining about getting the last figure and realizing I had misplaced parts. Sorry if t wasn't clear.
     
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    Novastar arrived today and now my POTP collection is more of less done. Tempted to get the retail Primal and that translucent Megatronus that came with Blast-Off as they are all I need to hit 100% completion. If I can snag Primal on sale then I’ll make the effort to get Little Megs.

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    “Fine. You deal with my Autobot counterpart. I’ve heard he’s nearby. Real nearby”

    A great character concept that never gets much of a look in in the fiction. Some incoming TF writer -be they in animation or the comics- has a great opportunity to do something interesting with this guy.

    Much like the Clones, Punch/Counterpunch got a single memorable scene in ‘The Rebirth’ and then was pretty much lost to the annals of history. It was a damn fine scene and tickled my childhood imagination. A spy risking everything, including his sanity? like I say, it’s a great character concept…if you don’t think about it for too long. I mean, they both share the same alt mode. I know, don’t bother you with details. Punch/Counterpunch rules.

    I’ll start with his car mode, as that’s kind of a nice neutral place to start.

    It’s actually weird to see such a contemporary earth vehicle in the ’87 line up. Other than the Throttlebots, who were always a bit of a law unto themselves, everything else had an alt mode that didn’t need to worry too much about being faithful to any existing vehicle. It’s kind of nice to see something that doffs it’s cap to the old days of ’84/’85. Admitedly it’s a lot more kidifed than Jazz, Sideswipe, or even any of the Stunticon limb car modes, but I’m a sucker for a Pontiac.

    Of the two ‘bots, Counterpunch (pssst, he’s the Decepticon) is probably the star of the show. He’s tall, imposing, has the cool 80’s shoulderpads, and a nice moody dark colourscheme. The headsculpt is maybe a wee bit weird and those arms are a bit spindly, but the overall effect is really, really nice.

    It’s when you go from one ‘bot mode to the other that the party really starts. There’s two ways of transforming him, depending on your preference; you can just move the shoulders round, fold the other set of arms out and flip the helmet OR you can bend the knee down and flip out some feet and have a much shorter Autobot Punch. As one of those guys that likes the idea that the Decepticons are generally taller than the Autobots I’m a sucker for the latter method. I also like anything that makes the difference between the two bots more dramatic.

    I kind of wish they’d not given him a faceplate in Punch mode. Despite Prime’s iconic faceplate, I always think of the faceplate as being more of a Decepticon thing. Blame Soundwave and the ‘Con insignia. Otherwise, I really like Punch. He’s simple and stout but I’m kind of into that. And a nice big splash of mustard yellow on his chest really livens him up.

    I was kind of amazed when I saw that Power of the Primes Punch/Counterpunch was an all new mold. I was genuinely expecting him to be a redo of PotP Jazz (I mean, what is going on with that being a single use mold?). It was a welcome surprise and it definitely looked very promising. These ‘special editions’ just kept on pleasantly surprising me.

    For me, when the Prime wars Trilogy stuff has worked best is when it’s stayed true to the G1 designs whilst giving us a poseable, dynamic figure of the kind we could onyl dream of as a kid. I know many people prefer the early days of ‘Classics’ and ‘Universe’ where we got things like Perceptor with a van mode, but I’ve always found those sorts of updates a little dissonant.

    All of which to say, Punch/Counterpunch nails the G1 style.

    Because I’m a whore for symetry I’ll start with Punch. My eyes always seem drawn to this lad’s chest. Not in a dirty way. It’s so weird but this the point where the PotP best invokes the original. The original had a very distinctive chest design and the current design time have elaborated on it, without losing it;s essence. Funny wee detail to pick up on, but an indicative one. And then there’s that beautiful, elegant headsculpt. He’s really a stunner. Optimus handsome.

    A weird complaint I have about Punch is that he’s too tall. Or rather he’s disporoprtionate. He’s got short arms and massive lower legs. When I first saw pictures of Punch I imagined there to be a way of rolling the knees round so they’d click into the lower legs and give the option to make the Autobot smaller than the Decepticon, in much the way the original allowed you to. Wishful thinking on my part.

    Oddly enough Counterpunch seems to manage these proportions so much better. Sure the arms are still too short and he’s a leggy number, but through some amazing sleight of hand (possibly the big shoulder pads) he manages to look…a bit righter.

    And while Punch is – as I say – Optimus Handsome, Counterpunch is Soundwave sinsiter. That evil looking dash of solid red that sits under his visor gives him that cylon vibe and the down turned mouthplate gives a big dolop of contemptuous character. It’s a fine piece of work. I love the ‘fake’ roof chest and the shoulder pads, which are so much more imposing that the original.

    But what i love most is the eleegance of changing from one bot to another. I’m delighted they kept the simple ‘flip it the other way’ helmet while giving us a much nicer way of changing the arms. Just a wee flip of the hands, it spins round from the forearm and blue hand turns to red hand turns to blue hand. Wicked. And if you hate simplicty then you can have a little fiddle with the shoulders.

    I’d be lying if I said I didn’t wish they’d kept the pontiac as the model for the vehicle mode, but there’s got to be a line in the sand as far as indulging old twats like me, and that’s a good one to draw. The vehicle mode is a classy affair, with lovely clear plastic windows and plenty of paint detail (painted rims! What an indulgence!). I thought this was going to be a total pain to transform, but I was really pretty pelased with the ways the ‘real roof’ folds out from the legs and folds over the chest. Real fucking clever.

    When I saw those first pictures of Counterpunch I was confident that I was seeing some sort of ‘pre-tool’ of Pointblank, and maybe even Nightbeat in Punch, but in hand I’m not so sure. I’m not sure I can completely atriculate it. Maybe the parts count is too high for a regular deluxe, maybe he just feels too lithe for the more jock like Pointblank. Maybe, once the thought becomes clearer, I’ll go back and amend this review so it looked like I was more incisive (and, perhaps more curcially, totally right first time).

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