Power of the Primes (PotP) Appreciation Thread

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  1. barry

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    Grimlock, for me, is one of the most iconic Transformers ever. When I really think hard about what I consider the iconic Transformers to be it's usually the guys on these adverts below.

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    Jazz, Datsuns, Seekers, plus Optimus and Soundwave, and of course the Dinobots. I used to pour over these adverts when they were on the back of kids magazines. Hazy as my memory is I think they might be my first exposure to Transformers. Sure there were so many important Transformers that came after this but they didn't have that sort of distant, near mythical status as these.

    I remember Grimlock as having amazing articulation, great proportions and a head that wasn't actually behind his shoulders. Yet even with more critical, adult guys, I still think he's incredible in robot mode. He's got some of the best accessories as well. I love his gun and sword. His T-Rex mode is perfection. It's the details. The little gold toes. The silver arms that actually turn. His chompy jaw and teeth. I consider it to be one of the most elegant G1 transformations from mode to mode, even though it's got a T-Rex head hanging off his back. The legs to tail and arms to legs are inspired and so well executed. I love this so much that there's a little voice in the back of my head just telling me that I'm utterly incapable of being objective. But this is one of the toys that really does take me back to being seven years old. I just want to clutch it to my chest like a linus blanket.

    And of course he was the best thing about that early, pre Target:2006 era of TF:UK. I remember being so excited when 'In the National Interest' showed up in the 'next issue' box. All the best stories had the Dinobots, Decepticon Dam Basters, Wrath of Grimlock, Icarus Theory, Dinobot Hunt, the aforementioned 'In the National Interest'. They were the toughest, angriest, funniest, most sarcastic and tightly knit group of Autobots, and Grimlock was the most Dinobot of all the Dinobots. I miss the days when his T-Rex mode was drawn closer to the toy. There's something about that face.

    Power of the Primes Grimlock is...difficult. Diffuclt and disappointing. I wanted to totally love this guy, I turned a blind eye to all the obvious problems that I saw in the convention photos. He'd win me over with his surly charm when I got him in hand right? I mean, it's frigging Grimlock!

    Often when reviewing a toy I wind up having two typical areas of complaint, one more defensible than the other; it doesn;t look just like the character I loved as a kid/it's an objective mess. PotP manages to tick both these boxes. In both modes his proportions are all over the place. In bot mode the head, arms, chest, and legs all appear to belong to different sized bots. It's almost like he's wandered into a fairground and found himself in front of a warped mirror. Ok, he's a bruiser, maybe having oversized arms is in keeping? My eyes say no. He looks wonky. No matter how I try I can't get into him in bot mode.

    I know everyone says kibble is sin and whenever I say that a figure looks wrong because it's missing some bit of kibble I get laughed out the proverbial room for being off my head and impossible to please (Hi TR Kup). The thing is that there's certain kibble that really helps define a character's silhoutte. Case in point, Grimlock's 'wings' are too small on his back. Sludge, Slag, and Grimlock all had some variation on those 'wings' and it helped make them look like a team. Maybe if his arms and chest weren't so massive?

    The dino mode also looks like two different sized toys fused together. The top half, I must admit, is really good. The head sculpt is straight from the 80's character model and looks mean and surly, and crucially you can open and close his chompy jaw. A Grimlock without a snapping jaw option is a pure fail. a real nil points. The wee T-Rex arms are pleasntly articulated. And then you get down to the waist and it all just bloats up and looks so weird and ugly! I'm not even sure how much of this you can blame on the combiner gimmick (which I've completly ignored).

    What's really striking about having yer G1 and PotP Grimlock's in hand is how much more...elegant the G1 toy is. From the transformation to the proportions to the dino mode. It all just looks better. Sure it lacks the articulation, but I think that's it? MP Grimlock was one of the only MP toys I've kept since deciding to sell my MP collection, and I think a big part of that was that seems to acknowledge all the things the original got right. I guess you can't beat a classic.

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    I figured out what looked off to me.
    nothing is actually missing, it's his longer neck.
    your construction places the plate his neck attaches to above the red plate, when it's supposed to be below it.
     
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    Still haven't seen these guys out anywhere. Only really interested in the terrorcons at this point anyways so..guess I need to wait and hope I get lucky enough to see wave 2 and beyond actually show up? Still never saw anything passed the first wave of TLK deluxes like..ever.
     
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    I've removed the posts that include any of the bickering. Let's keep this on topic please, and if anyone has any issues with another member, just report it and move on. Thanks.
     
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    ...That exchange actually got me to thinking that I COULD turnm the hands upside down and use them as feet lol I know you said they weren't as stable but it frees me up to do a LOT of combiner combinations so I'm going for it!
     
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    I really like the combined feet. The look and size both work well. The combined foot is stable enough for him to stand on one leg with one arm attached. One disadvantage of the combined foot is that it uses the extra hand pieces that would otherwise be used to fill out the sides.

    I was planning to get an aftermarket set but now see no need. I'm looking forward to putting Prime Masters in the hands and it remains to be seen if any aftermarket sets will keep this feature.
     
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    Genius solution that makes them both look heaps better! I think I'll have to try my hand at it when I get Optimus.
     
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    Those are some coop adds. Never saw those before.
    "Dammit uncle Coop, that's not what the man meant. He wanted to type: cool adds."
     
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    Post pics and let us know how it goes!
     
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    What a great idea! Hope 3p companies can do a proper g1 back upgrade...
     
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    I think it's very likely there are no leader-class molds we haven't yet seen, not counting retools or something Takara might do. There are 3 new POTP leader molds known. TR had 3 original ones: Blaster/Soundwave, Sixshot, Skyshadow/Overlord. CW had 2(Megatron, Ultra Magnus) plus maybe Jetfire at the tail end of T30 counts.

    Maybe Star Saber could be retooled from Optimal Optimus, but I think he'd also be a great candidate for a "Titans Return 2" line since he is a Brainmaster. (Though yes, he obviously fits the POTP leader evolution gimmick).

    So I think Thunderwing could be done from TR Skyshadow and with the evolution gimmick. Use the same upper body/large jet, with a new head. Mold new legs that also transform into TW's smaller jet mode and inner robot.

    But also the evolution gimmick could be dropped from the likely 2 unknown releases still to come. There was the concept art of TR Skyshadow being reused as Prima and Megatronus for POTP. Some releases in a line do abandon the gimmick. CW Bombshell only sorta has a weapon mode/way to combine with combiners. Plenty of the other CW legends that were reuses lacked the gimmick. POTP Shrapnel has no seat and even no footpegs for interaction with Primemasters.

    Though with likely 2 leader slots left, those could be re-uses of the Optimus Prime and Optimal Optimus molds.
     
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    That's pretty annoying but I'm leaning toward it. You can elongate them but they still look too narrow. It's a shame because with Computron and Victorion it looked like they finally got it and freed us from the HFGs. They still feel the need to use the feet in every mode and it hurts its primary purpose while also looking bad tacked on to bot and alt modes.
     
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    I do think a 'Shattered Glass' Optimus seems quite likely. Moreso, in my opinion, than seeing the mold retooled into Ultra Magnus. I'd rather see the later really, but I don't think that's the way the wind is blowing. I'm still cautiously optimistic for a Starsaber mold. Maybe as radical a re-doof Skyshadow as PMOP was of CW UM?
     
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    For me he's never in shuttle mode so I'm fine with it. The white Baldigus version flips the torso around so he is my favorite version of the mold. The white one also holds together wonderfully compared to the Bruticus Blastoff.
     
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    I like the Victorion style feet except for the flip up toe area, luckily mine have never caused an issue with falling forward. The Computron feet appear to be an even better improvement. POTP voyager feet are a step backwards: I replaced mine on Volcanicus and Starscream as I built the combiners, into the spares box they went. The POTP feet don't make decent armor as Hasbro intended neither.
     
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    The back of each figure look like?
     
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    At least one new leader mold makes sense for the last two waves or so*. And Starsaber makes a lot of sense for whom that mold should be. I could see something like Optimus Unicronus, Starsaber, and Primal Prime (or Optimal Unicronus, because why not) as the tail end of the PotP leader class toys. Ideally, we'd get two new leader molds, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if that happens than supremely disappointed if it doesn't.

    *I have this idea rattling around my head that there will be a mostly phantom wave 4 (Novastar, repacks, etc) like TR wave 6, then Hasbro will come back like gangbusters for the last two waves of the line in 2019.
     
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    Totally. PotP wave 4 will be released around the same time as TR wave 6 and it makes sense of why we saw no Prime Masters, Legends, Voyagers, or Leaders for wave 4 in those leaks. If we're right then I think this is the new Generations paradigm for the forseeable future.
     
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    I thought you meant Co op reading this (a British shop that used to sell toys around this era) didn't realise it was a typo
     
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    Hasbro should seriously sell feet packs. I really like the new feet to Starscream and Grimlock.
     
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