Possibly too late to join the Army

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  1. Bryan

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    So I used to tell people here to "Join The Army" when they would cry about how terrible their lives were, because it's a great way to turn things around. No one ever did, I don't think, and at some point I was told to stop making the suggestion. Probably in part because I was always a real dick about it.

    Anyways, fast forward a few years and we're cutting the force from 570K to 520K and possibly lower. Last year my unit, a shit hot infantry battalion, had a reenlistment mission of 55. That is, the Army told us that based on our unit's size (roughly 800 paratroopers), and the Army's overall retention goals (how many people they want to keep in to maintain our target size), we had to get 55 men to sign new contracts. Not everyone is eligible to sign, only folks scheduled to get out in that fiscal year. We made it and them some, of course, because we're awesome.

    Anyways, this year our mission is 15. 15 out of 93 eligible. It's divided up into Initials, Mid-career, and Careerist, with the numbers weighted toward more junior types.

    The point though is that back in 2003 - 2006, we would take damn near anyone because there was a war on and we needed bodies. And we had trouble, because most people only want to get shot at it when they just load a saved game afterward. Now, though, the wars are ending and with the economy in the shitter, folks are actively trying to join.

    Obviously, this lets us be more selective, both in our new recruits and who we keep. Commanders can just tell mediocre soldiers, "Thanks, but no thanks," when they try to re-up. That's awesome, because it avoids substandard folks hanging around collecting a paycheck and stealing oxygen.

    The same thing happened back in the early 1990s, and it's a trip to see history happening and the Army changing. I love this organization, and now I will love it more since there will be fewer turds.

    Hilariously, that's on top of American youths mostly being too fat, too weak, and too dumb to join anyways:

    75% of Potential Recruits Too Fat, Too Sickly, Too Dumb to Serve | Danger Room | Wired.com

    It's a bad time to be living with 10% unemployment or whatever it is.
     
  2. Transbot90210

    Transbot90210 Banned

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    Go figure, the American fat cats did their darndest to turn their society into easily controlled drones. Little did they suspect that said easy to control people make for shitty soldiers.

    So now America's got all the money from its people but alas very few good people left to protect said monies.


    This is in no way intended to be a slight against America and its people, I love the country. This is a comment directed toward the Corporate take over of America and how it has destroyed a once great and moral country.



    And to Bryan, one of America's fine enlisted men serving in Iraq. Thank you and all your brothers and sisters in arms for serving the force for freedom and trying to keep our freedoms safe at the price of your lives. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
     
  3. DaggersRage

    DaggersRage Autistic bastard.

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    I did ask you once about that and you've been a great source of information. I did make my choice and go USAF though. I'm a DEPer right now and just playing the waiting game for a new posistion. Hopefully with the new fiscal year Ill get one soon. Seems like one of the few out of that percentage :D 
     
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    ok you're probably going to take this the wrong way but know that I am a military wife (former) My husband was in the army for 5 years, and then the reserves and National Guard afterwards. He is now done with his commitment. I also have a couple of cousins who are in Iraq guarding the higher ups and I pray for them everyday.

    The first I bolded - you guys asked for bodies, and unfortunately thats what you got...bodies, in bags.

    The second and third part I bolded is that the army is changing I was DISGUSTED at don't ask don't tell and am glad it is gone. The military wants you to lay down your life for country but you're not good enough to if you are gay. I also have a problem with non inclusion of women in the infantry and the front lines. We're good enough to leave our lives and children behind but not good enough for the front lines.

    Plus there are a lot of pay cuts going on for veterans which is NOT cool, and it is also extremely hard to find a job after your commitment to the military, so you're sometimes stuck having to make a career out of the military.

    I'm sorry but as a teacher I don't encourage my students to join the military. I do support the troops though please understand that I just don't support the politics behind it. My son (and my husband agrees) will not be joining the military. (To be fair due to budget cuts I tell my students not to be teachers either) I know I'm not the only who feels this way or else the military wouldn't have put out these commercials and advertisements of these kids trying to convince their parets that it is ok for them to go into the military and blah blah blah.

    I hope you understand my point of view.
     
  5. Aernaroth

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    Now tell people "Join the Coast Guard" instead.
     
  6. Cavshock

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    A shit hot Cavalry Squadron would be better, sorry Bryan.

    Chuck
     
  7. jorod74

    jorod74 Psycholagnist (Ret.)

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    be patient.
    we'll get pulled into another hot zone and the recruiters will beg for anybody standing upright to sign up.
    it's like disco, it comes and goes in cycles...
     
  8. Bryan

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    if you aint cav

    you aint shit

    I definitely don't understand your point of view because it's stupid. Your husband was probably a turd pogue. And you probably had one of those awesome bumper stickers that said, "Army Wife: HARDEST JOB IN THE ARMY!" Protip, it isn't.

    There's no veteran pay cuts. We've gotten raises every year this decade, and while they haven't always outstripped inflation, getting any raise in any era of rampant unemployment is pretty sweet. Plus our benefits are awesome!

    We asked for bodies to fight the war the government asked us to fight. I'm pretty sure that's what we're supposed to do. Unless you protested or tried to get the war ended, you were asking for those bodies also. You know, it being a democracy and all.

    DADT wasn't military policy, it was a Presidential executive order interpreting US Code as made by Congress. So I'm not really sure what your point is.

    Women aren't good enough for the front line. There's a physical reality to that. I notice you didn't mention how females don't have to meet the same PT standards or the same weight / bodyfat standards. If you're good enough to be on the front line maybe you should be good enough to pass male PT standards?

    It's hard to find a job after the military...because it's hard to find a job period. But gasp, making a career out of the military? HOW TERRIBLE. I definitely don't want awesome benefits and steady raises and a kick-ass job and a pension after 20 years. THAT WOULD BE CRAZY.

    And if not the military, what awesome career advice are you giving your students and your kid? Maybe he should get his Master's of Fine Arts!

    Not that I would want my children taking any advice from teachers. You guys aren't exactly doing a rocking job educating America's youth. Remind me, how do we compare to other countries?

    But whatevs, I'm a PA, my brother's a doctor, my other brother's a lawyer, and my sister is a linguist. We're all ridiculously smart and successful and we're all in the military! Oh, and Dad was a Harvard grad...which the Army paid for! Get some.

    No, I'm just kidding around! :D 
     
  9. Cavshock

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  10. DaggersRage

    DaggersRage Autistic bastard.

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    Heh, I'm anxious for my time. I'll be doing electronic stuff so I'm probably going to be away from the hardware like that, but close to some other sweet gear!
     
  11. Cavshock

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    You need to do one of the three B's when near some Army guys to get some time with that. Trust me you will thank me later.

    Chuck
     
  12. DaggersRage

    DaggersRage Autistic bastard.

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    At the risk of sounding like a idiot, what're the three B's?
     
  13. Cavshock

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    Beg, Bribe, or Bl...use your imagination for the last one.

    Chuck
     
  14. DaggersRage

    DaggersRage Autistic bastard.

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    Bleach? Well... okay, I guess I can help with the laundry.
     
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