Politics on Cybertron

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  1. littlebotbrat

    littlebotbrat Well-Known Member

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    Could the autobots and decepticons be considered political factions like Democrats or Republicans? One wants to peace and other wants war.It sound like the 60's or 70's with the concept of doves and hawks. Instead of them being different races or models or line of work, could be more on politics?
     
  2. darksage78

    darksage78 Maximal

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    Different continuities have different explanations towards this matter. For example the movie, Prime and Megs started out ruling the planet as equals but each one took care of one particular aspect of the societal matters. Of course we know what happened there and Megs started the war with his Decepticons that he created.

    The original series, the Autobots and Decepticons were clearly separate lines of model robots created by the Quints. This ties into their differences and the Decepticon tenancy for fighting, etc since they were the warrior line.

    Politics was probably more built into Cybertronian society post war, probably around the time the Maximals began to emerge. There were mentions of councils, elders, laws, etc. Not sure if that answers your question.
     
  3. mblase

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    No, but nice try. It's more like gated communities vs. gang warfare, when you think about it. Megatron's not ultra-conservative, he's a selfish power-hungry sonufabiatch.
     
  4. Dropshot

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    I always liked the War Within version, where it was indeed a political faction, just that oit was very radical. It makes the war more interesting for common citizens to choose sides instead of fighting for their model line.
     
  5. Bryan

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    I don't think it's that simple, especially in some of the continuities.
     
  6. KA

    KA PENIS GOES WHERE?!!

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    ive always associated autobot/decepticon conflict as a social issue as opposed to political. you have the socialist/worker autobots on one side and conquest/expansion minded/warrior decepts on the other. its never been about one side trying to push their ideals on the other (at least if you go by the more traditional stories). decepts want to rule cybertron and beyond and the autobots just happen to be in their way.

    intra-faction, now thats where the real politics lies. thats why u have grimmy trying to take over prime based on his might is right agenda and starscream trying to usurp megs based on....uh, well, starscream is just a douche.
     
  7. Foster

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    I wish Autobots elected their leader, just to see Grimlock's attack ads against Prime.

    "Prime weak leader. Prime grant mercy to Megatron, him without mercy who now plead for it. Me Grimlock, made of sterner stuff!

    "And me, Grimlock, better on environment. Prime truck mode hard on roads, on gas. Him have smokestacks, pollute good earth air. Me Grimlock love nature, except for birds who poop on nose. Stupid nature!

    "Me Grimlock, approve this message!"

    "Paid for by Dinobots for Change, a not-for-profit organization."
     
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  8. Ops_was_a_truck

    Ops_was_a_truck JOOOLIE ANDREWWWWWS!!!!!!

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    2nded. I've always seen it as this too.
     
  9. Wingwolf77

    Wingwolf77 Decepticon Dark lord

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    I like the political angle. I like the idea that megatron was a gladiator fighter who finds an area of Cybertron where the bots are kind of ignored. This becomes his base to take like minded or more important, people who do not like the Autobots in power. And he masses an army in secret. Then attacks and takes over much of the planet at once.
    I like the idea that Megatron does not hate the Autobots so much as finds them weak and are not moving the race in the right direction.
    There is also the element that Megatron things all living things should worship him as leader. I think it would be cool that he had run for office and was rejected. Thus grow his hatred.

    But I am a political junkie so maybe I just want to mix 2 things I enjoy.
     
  10. weeklyhero

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    It may have started out as a semi-political conflict, but it quickly grew past that, probably the same thing went for the Maximals and Preds.

    I totally agre with KA that there was major politics within each faction though.
     
  11. Spekkio

    Spekkio Master of War

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    He's got my vote! Grimlock 2008!

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    Seriously, though - I don't think you can relate the Autobot / Decepticon issue to current USA / CAN / UK / EU / AUS / etc politics. Regardless of continuity, it's always been depicted as a civil war. Civil wars are a very different beast. In normal politics, you definitely have disagreements, but it's always about a number of issues. In civil wars, it's often one issue alone that drives things. The U.S Civil War was about slavery, and it didn't divide on party lines. The most recent U.S Civil War was about superhuman registration. A number of European civil wars have been about religion. The French Revolution was about class. Etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    So the question is: what one issue caused the Cybertronian civil war? It seems like it was a question of ideology - imperialism (Decepticons) or peaceful coexistence (Autobots).
     
  12. Black Oracle

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    The Autobots and Decepticons clash on principles. The Autobots are peaceful whilst the Decepticons are conquerors. That's pretty much the backbone for their war.

    But i'm sure there were politics involved on Cybertron before all out war broke out.
     
  13. Tigran

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    The American civil war was not about Slavery.
     
  14. Locke

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    I think an exploration of Cybertronian politics could make for a very interesting story, but attempts to go back and establish a past can be risky. Even with the IDW series, which has been a pretty fresh take on the TF mythos, many (it seems) were disappointed with the portrayal of the Megatron Origin story.
    Because Politics is an area that has been under-explored, many fans have come up with fan fiction-esqe explanations, and it's likely that many will prefer their version to the 'official' fiction. Some mysteries are best left to the imagination.

    Luckily, reboots and elseworlds have become a staple for TFs. With each new universe, we get the potential for a new take on Cybertronian politics (Animated seems to be an excellent example of this). Personally, I'd like to see some even more novel takes on Cybertronian politics than we've seen in the past; there are some really interesting possibilities to be explored, and it won't tread on established ground.

    For example, imagine that Quintessons built the TFs as consumer / military products, but Megatron, not Alpha Trion, leads the uprising that overthrows the Quints. Now, Megatron begins in a position of power rather than being an insurgent. It's a simple change, but this one change can lead the story in a completely new direction. He's still Megatron, so he has to have ambition, but what if he realizes that there are more advanced races (Quint customers) than the TFs? Does he still blindly aspire to 'take over the universe,' or does he adopt a more pragmatic look? Maybe he becomes a strict isolationist so that he can maintain the control he has? Maybe he eventually realizes that it's easier to maintain control of Cybertron through benevolence than through violence? Maybe Optimus Prime favors exploration and establishing inter-planetary relations, and this puts him at odds with Megatron's isolationism?

    Hmmm...apparently I've also spent some time 'fan-fictioning' about Cybertronian politics, too...
     

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