peter cullen responds to give me ur face question at botcon 2010

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  1. Prime82

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  2. Optimus1986

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    I just adore that guy. He reminds me of my grandfather.
     
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    Awesome highlights from Cullen's panel this year. But i wonder whether this thread might be more suited for the videos forum.
     
  4. Prowl

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    That was a really cool video overall!
     
  5. Bumblethumper

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    I just want to know how a line like that ends up in a movie. Where did it come from? Did they seriously write it down in a script and turn it in? And what does a voice actor make of something like that when they read the words for the first time? Did he just read the lines with a straight face and then go home for the day?

    I don't have any big moral or artistic objection to it, but the bizarreness factor is off the scale.
     
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    As stated on the commentary the whole climax had to be rewritten due to lack of money (it's completely different from the script's ending described in the novelization and comic). 'Give me your face' was clearly ad-libbed by Bay or the writers in the recording booth and obviously they thought it was a hoot and so did many fans until we realised it made Optimus sound quite bloodthirsty.
     
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    I always put it down to other lines being cut from the final script for length )or lack of money, as ALienbot mentioned above); I recall something about Optimus saying The Fallen wasn't worthy to wear the face of a Prime, which is why he removed it. Unfortunately leaving that oneline in gave entirely the wrong impression of Optimus.
     
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    I liked the line.
    I liked the bad-assed nature of Prime in this film.

    I really don't understand the angst over this line.
     
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    They should've just left that line out. "You picked the wrong planet" would've been an awesome last line.
     
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  11. Leadfoot

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    Yes, I think they seriously did. I don't think it's particularly bizarre. Have you ever battled another individual in a contentious deathmatch the results of which the fate of an entire world rests, in which said battle inflicts numerous painful wounds upon you and at the end of which you come out victorious, then looking at the silhouette of this individual's face, you realize the symbol of the evil faction to which your entire existence has been dedicated to defeating for millions of years is based on the shape of it? In that moment of warrior-like intensity and rage that goes to the core of everything that makes you who you are, you might think about that face and before ripping it off, say, "GIVE ME YOUR FACE."

    At least, I would.

    I've said shit like that to people I beat up in school fights, so I can't even imagine what Optimus would have wanted to say. At least he didn't say "Gimme you goddamn fuckin' FACE."

    The indignant rage that occurs when you physically fight someone whom you believe is on the morally wrong side of said fight is formidable. That's all I'm saying.
     
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    It should've been: "I'm the Goddamn Optimus Prime!"
     
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    I had never analyzed it so deeply, but I guess I can buy your argument.
     
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    Maybe so, but is that Optimus Prime? I never thought of him as a guy with rage issues.

    Again, I don't really give a shit that they put the line in the film. It was humorously incongruous, not a 'raped childhood' scenario.

    But I'd like to hear Cullen's story of what exactly they had in mind when they were recording it.
     
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    "i got plenty of planets left to conquer....for goodness" HAHAHAHA

    i love that man haha
     
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    I love it. Prime's badassery in ROTF is one of my favorite aspects of the movie.
     
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    Okay, I never thought of Optimus as having "rage issues" either, but that misses the entire point of what I was saying. It's not like a guy who needs to go for anger management courses because he punched a guy for badmouthing the Red Sox. It is the kind of rage that exists in a warrior's heart, when he knows he is the only thing standing between justice and atrocity. It is and has always been a necessary human impulse in the grand scope of history, and all I did was to transfer it to a Cybertronian.

    In all of Optimus' wisdom, he knows when it is time to give life an when it is time to kill - when it is time to sow and when it is time to reap. Transformers has always been allegorical - these characters are more than just individuals, they are archetypes, their actions and personalities crafted to be the ultimate examples of right vs. wrong. And they appeal to an element of all of us that is both primal and enlightened. Optimus says "give me your FACE" because he not only represents Ghandi, but Beowulf as well. He isn't just a leader, he is also a warrior.
     
  18. firehawc_69

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    Peter said it himself, Optimus hasn't changed.
     
  19. jametron

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    Same here.

    Sorda movie cliche-ish though... but so are a lot of parts of ROTF!

    :lol 
     
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    Rage is an emotion I do not associate with anyone on the good side of anything..

    Hulking out is not a good thing.

    Dehumanising your enemies is not a good character trait.
     

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