Optimus death 86 movie

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  1. ClunkerSlim

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    I'm not sure that tracks. We're talking about robots. Clearly he has significant skills in repairing electronics. It's like expecting a heart surgeon to not be able to treat a gunshot wound. Perceptor was qualified. He was familiar enough with the inner workings of transformers to guide Brawn and Bumblebee inside Megatron's body on a micro level. I mean technically, Ratchet is described as a "medic." Traditionally combat "medics" aren't in the same league as full surgeons, and usually aren't even Doctors. It's entirely possible that Perceptor is actually MORE qualified than Ratchet.
     
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    Yeah, I know anatomy too, but I cant fix you. I also know how electornic circuits work, but I cant fix them too.See what I am talking about?

    EDIT: And in all actuality you are advocating the opossite of what you suggest: That a General Practictioner is qualified to perform neurological surgury. Or a Chemist to know how to treat diabetes because both have to do with chemicals.
     
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    No, I'm not because Perceptor was at the top of the Autobot's scientific food chain. Perceptor was the specialist. Ratchet was a simple medic. Wheeljack was a engineer. The only G1 tech spec that actually lists a "Doctor" is First Aid.
     
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    And as has already been said: Scientist doesnt mean engineer, or medic.....seriously. EDIT: And Galvatron was a city Commander when there was no city, according to the Techspecs and Megatron was the leader and both were the same guy in the toon. Different continuity.
     
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    That’s a bit of a misconception

    The tital of medic is In actuality an umbrella term for any persons involved in medicine .The following fall under this term
    : a MD,a Surgeon, a intern, medical student ,Paramedics, emergency medical responders, the list goes on

    In the UK the term "medic" indicates someone who has followed a "medical" career path In post graduate professional training accredited by a college of Physicians, such as those for cardiology or endocrinology

    Nothing could be further from the truth

    One of his profiles describes him as ”the best tool-and-die man on Cybertron. In his work-area bay, he can fashion anything from a pin to a cruise missile and repair most of the Autobots and their specific parts, given the right materials.”

    An other bio describes him as The single greatest medical practitioner of the transformers, And that his skills as a surgeon and a doctor are unmatched, that only a lack of materials can hinder his ability to achieve anything he sets out to do medically, And that he’s fully versed in all transformer physiology as well as that of humans and almost all the known galactic species
     
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    The important thing is Optimus died and I was a happy 11 year old.

    Long Live Rodimus Prime
     
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    Fixed that for you :p 
     
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    Don't put words in my mouth. Galvatron was great in the movie and Target 2006 but both the G1 cartoon and comic brought him down the insanity route which I didn't like.
     
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    I can still can hear you hailing. "All Hail Galvatron!Galvatron!" Yeps :p 
     
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    Well I'll side with most Transformers over Optimus Prime apart from:

    Rattrap
    Alpha Trion
    Prime Bulkhead
    RID Grimlock
    Movie Ironhide
    Movie Drift
    G1 Wheeljack
    G1 Bumblebee
    Jetfire
    Perceptor
    The Insecticons
    Quickstrike
    Kup
    IDW Tailgate
    Ratbat
    IDW Jhiaxus
    IDW Metalhawk
    Pharma
    Blitzwing
    Wreck Gar
    Slag
    Scalpel
    Machinima Menasor
    Windblade
    Victorion
    Elita One
    Airrachnid

    I hate every one of them.
     
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    I could appreciate a couple wrecks that sound like: Victorion, ISW Tailgate and Metalhawk and Rattrap.
     
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    Nice to know I'm not the only one that hates Rattrap.
     
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    Maybe Ratchet or First Aid being there would've made a difference. Maybe.

    But, Optimus got injured pretty bad. First shot in his side (while in truckmode) while ploughing throug the Coneheads and others. Then Megatron cuts him with a lasersword in the same spot (he likely saw damage there?). And then megatron shooting him several times in the same spot. And then he likely strained his injuries when smashing Megatron.

    It may not be a vital point, but being repeatedly shot at the same spot will cause severe internal damage. And at a certain point, too much damage to the torso will be fatal. (That exact same spot isn't a vital area in a human, but getting shot there several times, at least twice at pointblank rage and have a sword cut through it will cause a human to die due the amount of physical damage.)


    I like you :D 

    No honestly, that was my exact same sentiment, although I was a bit older at the time. Really disliked Optimus in the cartoon and when he said "Megatron has to be stopped no matter the cost", my first thought was: should've though of that twenty years ago all those times you had the chance to kill Megatron (and end the war) and all those times you didn't.

    I did come to respect Optimus for how he subsequently tore through the Decepticons ranks.

    But yeah, Rodimus Prime is a far more interesting character than Optimus. And as a leader far more succesful. I mean, in the four million plus years that Optimus lead he only managed to slow down the Decepticons, but they still went from a starting uprising to conquering the planet (the situation at the time when they left 4 million years ago). Then Rodimus becomes leader and the Decepticons are driven off planet and never amount to more than a minor threat. Meanwhile, the planet is being rebuild and the Autobots become self sufficient and start taking their place in the universe. That is, until Optimus returns and with the exception of a Deus ex Machina plot, the Decepticons in their first attack slaughter the Autobots and conquer the planet.
     
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    Yeah, Rodimus had Kup, Ultra Magnus as war veterans that most probably were around when Optimus became leader, Optimus all he had was Alpha-Trion. So therefore both Kup and Ultra Magnus gave Rodimus advice. You want to talk about respect? When they brought Optimus Prime back, at first I was happy. Until Optimus used the Matrix to get rid of the plague. He could have easily gave the Matrix back to Hot Rod and act as his mentor, nothing against Kup and Ultra Magnus, but it would have been better of Optimus had been there and guide him. Instead he kept the Matrix, and act as leader. You think Optimus didn't make any mistakes at first, that he probably ended up regretting?
     
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    Kup For sure was around when Optimus became leader, Magnus I’m not too sure

    nonsense, Optimus had Prowl Who was a master tactician, Ironhide Who at the very least was the equivalent of Kup in experience and likely age and I won’t even mention jazz and ratchet
     
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    Ironhide had mood swings and always doubting himself and feeling useless at times. There were times where he was depressed.

    Prowl a technician? Name one time were he was useful
     
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    You got a bad memory dude Huffer And Gears were like that, Not Ironhide

    It was only one episode where Ironhide was down on himself and that’s was because of a big failur

    The other time he was full of confidence and always try to take on greater challenges despite his age
    I could name a few from both the comics in the cartoon

    But one of the ones that stand out to me is how he stopped optimus from wasting his own energy chasing the seakers and took Bluestreak with him m to do the job, That way safeguarding the leader and chasing the enemy at the same time

    very Tactically sound
     

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