opinions regarding trading

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  1. NotFastEnuff

    NotFastEnuff I'm a smartass...

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    Hi everyone. I need opinions on something. I've always been a paranoid trader. Just my nature. I'm working on a trade on another board, which I've not used before. I've got a trade worked out, but the other person wants me to send first. Okay, I told him I understand, I have feedback here and on ebay, and I provided this information. I asked him to do the same, provide feedback, and I've not heard from him in over 48 hours, when his feedback has shown him on that board multiple times since. I'm I wrong in feeling a bad vibe on this? Is it time to walk? I'm I being a jerk and asking too much of people? Please let me know what you all think. Thanks.
     
  2. LigerPrime

    LigerPrime Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, I don't blame you for being paranoid...why don't you exchange "parts" first -to test the waters? I don't think you are being unreasonable as folks with good ebay records have been known to play others out. Nothing wrong with being careful.
     
  3. Chaos Muffin

    Chaos Muffin Misadventure Veteran

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    There's alwways bad apples. Good thing here is it's easy to do research on someone before you send anything.
    Traded with many here and never had any problems at all. Everyone rocks and the ones who plan on ripping anyone off ALWAYS gets busted fast and disposed of immediately.
     
  4. ambushbug74

    ambushbug74 Stroke me, Stroke me! TFW2005 Supporter

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    I know how you feel, I traded to someone on here awhile ago. They have since not logged on or anything. I didn't lose much, but it kinda made me a little more wary of trades.
     
  5. Trans4mers

    Trans4mers Well-Known Member

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    I have always hated the " you send first" and " we send at the same time" talk. Basically it means there is no trust in the deal and there is always shaddy people out there


    I have had issues with people where you work out a deal and then you dont hear from the person again. You message them having open communication and all but the person doesnt respond. Thats the thing with boards, commitment is a second thought at times. If I make a deal, I would at least try to follow through or at least give the other party the decency to say " sorry I cant do the deal". Just being quiet and hoping that the thing goes away leaves a bitter taste.

    Hope things go well for you. Might be best if the deal doesnt go through. You wouldnt want to lose the stuff you send out.
     
  6. seven

    seven RIP Poopers 4-1993/5-2008

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    Never traded with anyone but if I do (and I'm trying to get a Nemesis) I'll try local first that way we could just meet up somewhere and exchange items instantly.
     
  7. NotFastEnuff

    NotFastEnuff I'm a smartass...

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    Well, I pm'ed the guy again last night, and still no answer. He won't even respond to the read request. I guess he doen't think I'm smart enough to notice that he started a new thread in the bst forum. Geez. I'm about to just tell the guy to tinkle off. I want the stuff, but I'm not giving mine away. Thanks guys.
     
  8. Nightscream

    Nightscream JP TF Master Collector

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    quoted from gabtraders.com (a site for collectible card traders), here are some wise rules for online trading:
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    How to Trade Safely Online?

    1. NEVER assume someone is a good trader because he/she claims to be a member of a trading organization. Although trading groups do their best to make sure their members are honest, occasionally someone "sneaks" in intending to gain high rank and then rip people off.
    2. A trader with very few references should expect to send first. However, beware of anyone who tells you, "You must send first because I'm in a trading group," but doesn't have a large number of references to support their demand.On the other hand, it goes against the G.A.B. Code to require a trader with sufficient references to send first, unless there is a good reason.
    3. Request the following information from traders with whom you are dealing:

    Real Name
    There is nothing you can do about a bad trade if you do not know the other persons full, real name.
    Street Address
    This is should be the complete physical address where you are shipping your trade. Note: Many good traders use a Post Office Box address, but they are frequently used and abused by serial bad traders. A Post Office Box address may be a warning signal.
    Telephone Number
    With a big trade (greater than $50 value), consider asking for the other person's phone number and calling unannounced before the trade. This ensures you can reach the trader directly in the event of a problem. Bad traders are very reluctant to provide their direct telephone number. We recommend speaking to a trader by telephone for any transaction in excess of $50 value.
    E-mail
    An e-mail "paper trail" is important if a trade goes badly. Never conclude a trade/sale in a chat room or using a "messenger" like Yahoo or AOL IM. You can discuss trades in a chat room setting, but always finalize a trade via e-mail. Keep a record of who is sending what and when.

    4. Always check references. Even if someone sends you a long list of references, it is not a guarantee he/she is honest. It is easy to create a list of good traders who may never have heard of the trader. Take the time to check references. An honest trader will understand that it might take a day or two until you get enough positive replies to satisfy you. If somebody pushes you to send quickly without giving you time to check his/her references, be wary. If someone has all freemail references like yahoo.com or hotmail.com, you should be extra careful. A single person intent on ripping you off can have a reference list of 20-30 addresses that all belong to him. If the person is a G.A.B. member, you can contact their Team Leader to ask about them.
    5. When you send reference checks, ask specific questions:
    * Did the cards arrive in time?
    * Were they well protected?
    * Were they in the condition agreed upon?
    6. Questions like this could spare you a lot of disappointment and trouble later.
    7. Be sure to clear up certain details before your trade. Always confirm the condition of the cards. Make sure your trading partner has the cards he/she is trading in his/her possession. Occasionally, people unwisely trade cards they have not yet received from prior trades. This "trading forward" can lead to trouble.
    8. If you are suspicious about a trader (for example if you got negative feedback or the references look suspicious), e-mail the person and politely cancel the deal. Explain your reasons. There is nothing wrong with stopping a trade before either party has sent cards, if you don't feel comfortable about the deal or dealer.
    9. Check out G.A.B.'s huge Bad Trader List as well as others on the internet to stay informed of bad traders online. Note: G.A.B.'s Bad Trader List is long, but by using the search engine, you can check if a name, e-mail, street name, town, etc. is on the list.
    10. If you send cards of high value, send them certified (with or without return receipt). It will cost more, but you have proof that your trade partner received the cards if anything goes wrong.
    11. Remember, if a trade sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Don't be greedy; think before you trade.
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    And one rule I would like to add myself:
    12. Ebay references mean nothing unless it's a massive seller rating.
     
  9. Nightscream

    Nightscream JP TF Master Collector

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    What Do I Do If I'm Ripped Off?

    1. If you sent the cards certified, ask the postal office to put a trace on your letter. It may take a while, but they can confirm if the letter arrived at its destination.
    2. If you confirm that your trade partner received the cards you sent, tell him you will take legal actions against him if he doesn't send you the cards he promised or send your cards back. Contrary to common belief, it is NOT hard to report people for mail fraud. Since it is a Federal Crime, it is taken very serious by the postal office.
    3. If you think your trading partner is a minor, it may help to send another letter (certified) to his home. Address it to his parents (Mr. or Mrs "whatever his name"). Many parents have no idea what their kids are doing, but once they learn about it they may take action.
    4. Last but not least, don't hesitate to take legal action. You may think, "It's just a few cards," but it adds up if someone rips people off frequently. Theft has become very common in online trading and we need to stand up and fight back. As long as thieves feel safe and think they can not be punished for what they are doing, they will keep doing it.
    5. Report the Bad Trader to G.A.B. See below.

    Shipping Responsibility

    Trading protocol dictates that the sender is responsible for the shipment. In other words, if your cards (or money) does not reach destination, you are considered responsible.

    We highly recommend insuring your cards / payment as often as possible. A good rule of thumb is to do so when the cost of insurance is less than 10% of the cards value. Insuring your cards (or the more expensive options of certified or registered mail) provides you with written, dated proof and, most importantly, a verifiable tracking number. This proves you are a reliable and honest trader in the event of a dispute, and you'll be covered in the event of a loss.

    Remember that if the other trader claims never to have received your cards/payment, it will be your responsibility to prove they were sent on time and to the correct address. Finding mail without a tracking number will be a difficult process at best.

    When buying cards from an individual, pay by check or money order; be sure to keep written proof. When buying cards from a company, pay by credit card. This is the best protection because you can dispute charges later if necessary. It is unwise to send cash, because many post offices worldwide will confiscate cash if they spot it. If you do decide to send cash, always insure the shipment.

    Insuring and Return Receipt procedures vary from country to country. Information should be available at your local post office. They can also tell you who to contact if there is a delay problem.
     
  10. DX7879

    DX7879 Captain of Strawhats

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    Wow, Nightscream, your post was really helpful. I'm currently in a situation where I bought something from someone and the first item was in bad condition, so he said he'll send another
     
  11. NotFastEnuff

    NotFastEnuff I'm a smartass...

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    Here's how it ended.

    Was I wrong in posting that?
     

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