ive always liked kup. hes probably among the last true g1 figures i owned before action masters and machine wars and then beast wars were released so hes the onei have the clearest memories of opening and enjoying. i liked him in the movie and in the subsequent third season. his defining characteristic has always been his age and his experience. hes not as good as he used to be, but his knowlege and unshakable cool makes him worth a dozen younger standard soldiers. my issue, and the point of this thread is what does everyone think of his idw incarnation. i enjoyed his spotlight, it showcased his will as well as his failing body, but after his rebuild he seemed to turn into an ironhide clone. almost any panel hes in, dialogue and all could be replaced with ironhide and nobody would know the difference. ironhides unique traits are all now kups, old but still 'got it', check, tough physically and mentally, check, no time for flashy tactics, check, mentor to the new guys, check. while kup was always arguably these things his original incarnation seemed to point at him being older still. he wasnt a dominant force on the battlefield but he could hold his own. what made him valuable was his mind. hed seen it all and knew how to deal with it. as far as planning and tactics nothing could surprise him. ironhide was a fading warhorse but kup had already faded. he wasnt physically useless but a straight fight was no longer his forte. it made him a rare type of character. he wasnt an old wizened master like yoda, and he wasnt a tough hardcore aging soldier out to prove he could still fight with the best of them. he kind of showed us that growing old doesnt have to mean growing useless. not being able to be an active player doesnt mean you still cant be incredibly valuable. even his extremely knowlegable mind showed his age with him losing focus and going off on tangents. it was mostly played for laughs but his experience was starting to get the better of him. i loved this about him. age was slowly but surely chipping away at him but it was also giving him his defining strengths. not everyone has to be a beast on the battle field, or a perfectly honed mastermind to do their part. with a fanbase thats getting steadily older (not to kups extent but a lot of us are slowly approaching 30s and even 40s) which version of the character do you think would be more interesting? everyone is afraid of growing older and deteriorating, and there comes a point you just cant hide it anymore, and kup was at that stage. david cronenberg once said 'we've all got the disease - the disease of being finite' and kup showcased that in a way that also managed to convey that old guys can still kick ass, even if they cant literally get up, fight their way through a horde of goons and drive their foot into your ass personally. what say you?