it was mention in an early post in 'the simple things' by Kittie Rose (i won't repost it here). a good read though and right on the spot and it really hit/says what all or most of us are thinking/feeling. it's just that many have had enough that sometimes our emotions get the best of us. so what. that's why the forums are for. i also tried to keep away from anything that showed me what the tf was going to be like, but the buzz/internet/friends etc... now i haven't seen script, but (not sure it was here) quotes from the interviews from bay/shia/lorenzo have been posted or linked. what got me was that (interview with shia), "Bay before shooting and he told me that the whole hook for him with this project wasn't the robots or the action. He said it was the human story, specifically your story, what he called the All-American story of a kid getting his first car." the hell, anyone remember the carlos/alexis/rad show with some transformers? this is transformers! simple. hell even the tag line is 'their war, our world...' it's about robots. that's the title. sheesh, or how it was quoted that bay was doing a G1 movie, but everything got tossed out the window (including character designs). then came the whole matrix is the 'energon holder' speculation, and not to mention bay's angry response about how there are things that he wanted to do but couldn't, and how the producers wanted to do something else, don wanted this, and how making a movie isn't a democratic process...sounds like a lot of blaming (or covering your ass) just in case the movie flops. (time will prove 'us' right). i wish i could find the link (maybe it's been post ad nauseum). then of course are the 'early' designs...(or the ones that were 'leaked') but don't worry i won't gloat. but of course everyone will blame those tf fans who didn't give a s***** movie a shot...etc.