New discovery of oldest human ancestors...

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  1. Plastic Man

    Plastic Man The Man in Black

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    This is all over the internet. It's a discovery that was made about 15 years ago and they have kept it very secret until all the research and studies could be concluded. It's very interesting reading. They are releasing a very special edition of Science Magazine tomorrow with 11 articles on it by scientists all over the world. Thought I'd share.

    Press Backgrounder "Ardipithecus"

    Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/science/02fossil.html?_r=1&hp

    Before Lucy came Ardi, new earliest hominid found - Yahoo! News
     
  2. Plastic Man

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    *sees pics of 'ardi'*
    Cute little thing, aint she?
     
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    No.
     
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    Jeez. Way to get the thread locked.

    Very interesting read.
     
  6. UnicronHound

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    Yeah, it's pretty cool, though I still don't see how they can say in some of the articles that Ardi is "Way beyond" an ape, maybe not in those exact words. Let's hope they find more skeletons to show that it's not just a one-fer
     
  7. Insane Galvatron

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    After seeing just how much of the skeleton they have ( which is more than most finds ), it's still not enough to make the claims about the creature that they do. I mean really, how can they tell the mating rituals of a creature based on it's bones? It's guessing and speculation at best. So this doesn't really prove anything. So what? They found another kind of monkey.
     
  8. Midnight

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    Sweet.

    So she's my great great great great great (continues for some time) great great great great grandmother.

    So thats where I get all the body hair from.
     
  9. jorod74

    jorod74 Psycholagnist (Ret.)

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    Uncle Ardi is no fossil.
    he's just a relative we lost at a family reunion back in 1983.
    we knew he was OLD, but not that old.
     
  10. Ace Convoy

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    it's sad most people believe their ancestor was a monkey.................


    i see a human skeloten with Scientist putting monkey skin on it.
     
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    :lolol  ^
     
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    That would be sad. It's a good thing that nobody who understands evolution believes that.
     
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    The speaks VOLUMES of your level of understanding.
     
  15. Coeloptera

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    Interesting that this was a semi-arboreal one, but what's really interesting to me is the fact that chimps apparently also changed quite a bit from the common ancestor. So, if Ardi here is the furthest back we see in the hominid line, that means features we see in modern apes evolved after the split.

    That's a fairly big deal to finally verify that.

    From one article:

    "The fossil puts to rest the notion, popular since Darwin's time, that a chimpanzee-like missing link—resembling something between humans and today's apes—would eventually be found at the root of the human family tree. Indeed, the new evidence suggests that the study of chimpanzee anatomy and behavior—long used to infer the nature of the earliest human ancestors—is largely irrelevant to understanding our beginnings."

    That is good. That is very good. Knowing that chimps apparently adapted to their environment and drifted further from the common ancestor means that we can shift focus more accurately in terms of finding that common ancestor, since we now have a better idea of what features it's not going to have.

    "It shows that the last common ancestor with chimps didn't look like a chimp, or a human, or some funny thing in between."

    That's huge.

    "But Ardipithecus appears to have already embarked on a uniquely human evolutionary path, with canines reduced in size and dramatically 'feminized' to a stubby, diamond shape, according to the researchers. Males and female specimens are also close to each other in body size.

    Lovejoy sees these changes as part of an epochal shift in social behavior: Instead of fighting for access to females, a male Ardipithecus would supply a 'targeted female' and her offspring with gathered foods and gain her sexual loyalty in return.

    To keep up his end of the deal, a male needed to have his hands free to carry home the food. Bipedalism may have been a poor way for Ardipithecus to get around, but through its contribution to the 'sex for food' contract, it would have been an excellent way to bear more offspring. And in evolution, of course, more offspring is the name of the game"

    See that? The behavior of any animals depends, to a great extent, on its anatomy. Certain anatomical traits strongly imply certain behaviors.

    Your question basically was like asking, of a Smilodon skull, "But really, how could we know how it hunted based on its bones?"

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    Gosh, who knows? Maybe it was a scavenger or something. It's a mystery...a-doy!

    Just because it's not obvious to you, doesn't mean there aren't scads of evidence of behavior to be "read" from the anatomy. See, we study existing animals to find these correlations and can thus apply that evidence to extinct species. Observation, prediction, and so on.

    That's how science works, it's not "guessing" at all.

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    Wow, look how much of her they found! Awesome.

    - Coeloptera
     
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    Coeloptera Big, bad beetle-bot

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    Really?

    I think it was the Smilodon part that really sold it.

    And where is your sig from?

    - Coeloptera
     
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    The funny part is, we didn't evolve from monkeys. We AND monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
     
  19. Insane Galvatron

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    I understand what you're saying about the teeth and such. But how in the world do they know they had the "food for sex" trading going on? Exactly how do small teeth imply that?
     
  20. McBradders

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    Oh man, these threads are always hella entertaining.

    Dance, monkeys, dance!
     

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