Mysticism in the movies

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  1. sevenlima

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    Could we have mystical powers in the movies ? Obs: TLK don't count.
     
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    Clarke's laws aside, we've already seen cybertronian interference tied to the ancient Egyptians, ancient Chinese, whatever other prehistoric human civilization they were messing with, teleportation, telekinesis, out-of-body spiritual experiences with long-dead primes, clairvoyant visions, LITERAL RESSURRECTION on several occasions, like... what more do we need? Bumblebee to get a magic wand and a pointy hat?
     
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    The Fallen wields the Force, and is strong in the Dark side of the AllSpark!
     
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    I actually find the whole mystical elements of Transformers rather hollow and a bit of a cop out. Where did they come from? A god trapped in a giant metal planet made them, and they’re somehow begotten and born but just happen to have features similar to Earth machines and can mechanically transform.

    It just somehow is less convincing, less compelling and less satisfying to me than finding that an advanced race managed to create not just AI, but sentience in machines, and the whole history that goes with that, which I suppose leans more towards true science fiction than fantasy. The All Spark is kind of a mystical object that predates anything, but it could conceivably be a machine designed to create mechanical sentient life.

    Quintessa appears to be a being of energy, which I guess straddles both, and I could see it as perhaps being her civilisation’s pinnacle of achievement, moving beyond cybernetic or genetic enhancement.

    I’m not against the whole ‘technology viewed as magic’ stance, though as that is more about how less advanced cultures would view tech.
     
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    True. But it got him nowhere.

    If you want magic, Cade blocked a hit from Lockdown and was strong enough to do the same to one of the knights. If that's not magic, nothing is. @sevenlima
     
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    No, he didn't.

    That's Cybertronian tech, I doubt it was human strength. Which is like they said in the movie, the famous quote "indistinguishable from magic".
     
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    Any sufficiently developed technology is indistinguishable from magic - Arthur Clarke.
     
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    Could be magic in cybertronian terms,but not for the humans.
     
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    I enjoy mystical elements in the Movies. Unfortunately, TLK crossed the border of fantasy with too much unexplained things, but previous Movies treated this aspect very good. The whole thing about living soul in mechanical body is mystical (and exists in most of TF continuities). It is not technology. It is something like Elan Vital as Bergson wrote. It makes TFs not entirely materialistic, but add a portion of idealism (from the word idea, not ideal). I also enjoy the Allspark conception as a "store" of souls, history, everyone's thoughts and feelings. It's a noosphere - another philosophic thing, something that keep every thing that minds produce. The story of the First Primes as mighty and wise prophets of Cybertronian race, established the base of moral is similar to our religions. Interesting, that it is the mysticism at the first glance, but actually it is the bunch of deep philosophic conceptions. Oh, I know, no one except me is interested in that*sigh
     
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    As for his cybertronian tech, that was not convincing for me.
     
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    I was expecting someone in the lines of Gandalf or Dumbledore.
     
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    That's not a block or a parry, that's him using the "sword" to prevent Lockdown's "scissors" from closing.

    Cade blocking an incoming blow from one of the knights is not anymore unbelievable than the concept of transforming itself.
     
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    Block or parry, that's the same thing. You're preventing incoming damage.

    Also Cade blocking a blow is unbelievable because for a human, mass matters. How much can metal weigh?
     
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    Yes, and it's neither of those.

    He's using an advanced Cybertronian weapon. It's no more unbelievable than robots that can transform into seamless perfect representations of human vehicles.
     
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    You do know that your cycling back to the points I was counteracting, right?

    First, I don't understand why it's neither of those.

    Second, we're talking about a human. The robots are figures of our imagination.
     
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    He is not blocking an incoming attack. He is preventing the "scissors" from closing in on him.

    I went back to clarify. He is a human using an advanced Cybertronian weapon. It doesn't take any more imagination.
     
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    But closing in on him is an attack, right?

    I mean what would happen if he didn't block them?


    OK, we're getting somewhere....

    What material is this weapon made out of? Is it radioactive? Is it made out of iron or titanium?
     
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    It doesn't require anymore strength than is necessary to hold the blade.

    Transformium, I would think.
     
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