I know this topic has been covered quite extensively but I've never heard anyone nail the right way to describe why I disliked the live action TF movies. I will admit that I was raised on G1. I never really got into BW, RID, Energon, Animated, ect...although it had nothing to do with how the writing was or what kind of animation was used, they just all had elements that I didn't care for. That being said I didn't want anyone to disregard this as another "oh they raped my childhood post" or a "stuck in the '80's post". My main reasons for this post is to, one see if the people who disliked the movies agree with my reason, and two to see if the people who loved the movie can understand where some of us "haters" are coming from. I do not intend to change anyone's mind either, if you like the movie that's cool. I know for a few people this post will be considered TL R, but for those who do read it I would love some input. First, I really didn't have a problem with the cast, I have seen some of the actors in other movies where they did an amazing job. I did think the humans were overused though. In most if not all TF incarnations the humans to a backseat to the robots but in the movies it seemed the other way around. Second, I will admit I do not like Michael Bay at all. I think that he feels action films are all about special effects and explosions and the story doesn't have to matter. I also feel that he cares nothing for source material as evidenced by his depiction of Pearl Harbor and all the inaccuracies in that movie. This actually is the main problem I have with these movies. I'm not talking about changing Prime to a different truck or painting flames on him, or changing Bumblebee from a VW to a Camaro, although their robot modes were a major flaw in my opinion. My main problem is update or not, The Transformers is a classic and therefor anyone who covers it needs to have a working knowledge of what's come before. In every TF incarnation (that I've seen anyway) the characters all acted a certain way based on their portrayals established in the G1 continuity toyline. Some designs changed, some names changed, ect.. but for the most part Prime and the Autobots valued all life, Starscream was a traitor and a schemer, Bumblebee was a sidekick, the Autobots weren't soldiers they were forced into a war they never intended on fighting, and so on. The movies couldn't seem to get any deeper into the source material other than using most of the original names, faction names, and that there were transforming robots that fight. In closing I'll give an example of what I felt the movies did by using another well known classic: Imagine Joel Schumacher decided to "update" The Godfather. The script now calls for Vito Corleone to be senile and fart often. Michael Corleone will be a more physically imposing character like Brock Lesner only still Italian. He won't be as cold and calculating like before, now he will prefer to take parts in all the hits and he goes into every situation with guns blazing. In the restaurant scene he's not nervous about his first "hit", instead he cracks the cops neck and pokes the rival mob boss's eyes out with breadsticks since they are eating at Olive Garden (great product placement) and they have that "endless breadsticks" offer. Oh, and since the cop is Irish let's dress him up like a leprechaun and make him drunk all the time off Guinness (another great product placement). Why do this if he's a cop? Why should he dress like a leprechaun if he should just wear a police uniform? Fuck you that's why...we NEED people to understand that he's Irish. We will have Fredo be mentally challenged go around constantly dry humping everything and everyone because that's what ******ed people do right? And in the end, we find out that Michael sells his own family out so that he can run it and the closing scene will be Michael killing his father while violently raping his own mother while Fredo cries while he dry humps the corpse of Sonny (who just happens to show up although he's never in the movie before but it will be cool cause he looks like James Caan) and the whole time Michael is eating Spaghetti O's (awesome product placement) since he's Italian and that's obviously all they eat in Italy. People can't complain since all the basics are there, I mean it's about the mob and all the names are right, hell they are even going to get Al Pacino to do the voice of Michael Corleone. While this is obviously an extreme example I'm using it still fits. No matter what the source material is, even if it was a '80's cartoon that was meant to sell toys, you have to stay true to it or else you have just written a brand new creation and simply swiped names and a basic plot from a already well known and beloved source simply to bank on it's already established customer base and nostalgia factor.