My disappointment with the sequel

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  1. Getter Rekka

    Getter Rekka Well-Known Member

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    I was one of the people who wasn't all that gone on the direction of the first movie. I found the designs too busy, and a lot of the humour cringe worthy.

    I decided to give the sequel a chance, but somehow I feel let down.

    My main complaint is with the lack of decent new autobots. At least with the first movie, it introduced Prime and Jazz who were great designs, and Bumblebee who was pretty okay.

    You have the Bike sisters, who have that weird snake body, ugly heads and wheels in place of legs. They're not bad looking, but again, as with many of the other movie designs, they look cool for grunts, not main characters. Having a bunch of those things swaming around the place would be awesome. But for THE NEW AUTOBOTS, not so much.

    You have Sideswipe. Great design, but he's silver. I'm tired of all the monochrome. Even the coloured designs have a lot of silver in them. Jazz, Ironhide, Barricade, Blackout, Megatron, Jetfire, Starscream, Frenzy, Ravage are all essentially monochrome.

    You have Skids and Mudflap, who are just comic relief and the colour of both of them unnerves me a little.

    And that's pretty much it. Unless you want to count Jetfire, who just looks indistinct to me. G1 Jetfire was a cool character, and I would have liked to have seen him adapted using a Valkyrie-like design. I saw a fan design for Jetfire before the movie, and it just looked much cooler to me. Maybe not the most "Jetfire" design, but way cooler.

    We were promised loads and loads of robots but most of them are bit players.

    Not only that, the Deceps are disappointing too. I was really hoping they'd redo Starscream a little, he's too wide and flat, I don't like Devastator either, the gorilla pose sounds ridiculous, some of the individual constructicon designs are amazing, others awful.

    What it comes down to, mainly, is that the movie designs don't seem to know how to use colour. They either use too little of it, or puke it all over the place like with Devestator.

    What was kind of exciting was to think of how they'd do X or Y in the movie verse, and I feel let down like that. There are no cool new adaptions of old characters, and apart from Sideswipe no memorable new characters.

    There are so many great fan designs out there, it's a shame they didn't take some heed from them. The direction of this movie feels like a bit of a cop out, and has a "sequel that shouldn't have been" aura to it. I'll still probably see it, but I'm not expecting much, and I already know I'm disappointed with the designs. The thing is that these are the "Only" TF movies we're going to get for a long time, and because they could have been so awesome, I think I'm entitled to feel a little disappointed.
     
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    Thanks for joining up this month to post your negativity.

    1) How about this. Join up with a leading Transformers website/forums. - Check

    2) Positively support the franchise the website/forums clearly support. - ?????


    Even if you didn't like the movie and you're all upset about it, rather than be negative before the movie comes out, hold your opinion until we all get to see it. Because, if anyone doesn't go see the movie because of your review, you have hurt the Transformers franchise, a franchise most of us here want to see continue on for years and years to come.
     
  4. Getter Rekka

    Getter Rekka Well-Known Member

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    Excuse me, where am I required to "support" something? Michael Bay is not my bro. I am a Transformers fan, not a fan of everything with "Transformers" written on it. Let's say I like Beast Wars, the G1/G2 comic and some of animated, that doesn't mean I have to like the movie. "Transformers" is not a family member I'm supporting through rough times, it's a huge media franchise that can take care of itsself.

    There is no such thing as a "positive" or "negative" opinion, just an opinion. The fact that you are trying to make out one opinion to be inferior(and there is just as much baseless positivity as there is negativity) means you're trying to push yours on others.

    Did you even read my post? None of the things I listed will be changed if I see the movie. Is Sideswipe going to sprout colours? Is Devestator going to be radically different to what we've seen? No. Even if I were to enjoy the movie, these things would still upset me. This is something some people seem to have trouble grasping.

    I have no obligation to support the movies. If the Transformers movie fails on it's own merits, then it fails, you're pushing an idea I can't get into without being political, but "franchise welfare" is a terrible idea. If a branch of "Transformers" sucks, we shouldn't support it for the sake of it.

    If I do not like the direction the movies take the franchise in, I should be free to express my opinion. Transformers will not die because of a negative review. Transformers will not die if the movie fails, which it won't anyway. It's been through worse. If the movie were to fail, it would mean Hasbro/Paramount would have to look at a different approach, and put more thought into a better movie - directors wouldn't be so reluctant to touch it after the first succeeded.

    I'm interested in discussing the aspects of the movie, in particular the "art direction" in terms of the use of colours that disappoint me. I wanted more designs that had some kind of balance between "monochrome" and "colour puke" and I feel let down. If you try to push your opinion or general mindless consumerism on me, then please take it elsewhere because I don't want this thread to be locked.
     
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    People who don't like the movieverse all that much always say they're dissapointed in ROTF when they haven't seen the thing yet.

    I do give you props for being one of the few people like that to give it a chance to see how you like it. Atleast then you'll have some viable opinions having experianced it unlike some people who don't watch it and say it's terrible.
     
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    Again though, the problems I have with the movie aren't going to change when I watch it, and I have seen the first one too. I don't hold it anyone who isn't going to watch the movie, and neither should you. But at least you're not immediately dismissing me for being a "hater". Some threads here are ridiculous.
     
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    ok, thanks.
     
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    There is alot of silver in the robot modes, because they are robots made of chrome and metal which is infact silver.

    Also everything else you said is :lol . Get real.
     
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    Metal can be painted. There is no real reason Sideswipe needed to be silver. There is no reason Ironhide needs to be black. Also with all the crazy tattoos they added to Starscream, they could have given him some colour too. Ratchet didn't need to be that odd shade of green, and Herp didn't have to be lime green either.

    The arguments people keep making for movie "realism" are defeated internally(for example again Starscream's tattoos).

    Again, opinion pushing. Not only that, you're mocking my opinion(without reasoning too). Conforming to your subjective opinion is not "getting real".
     
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    Yes, there is a reason that Ironhide needs to be black and Sideswipe needs to be silver. It looks cooler. Dur. Now, here's your crayon. Put your head back down and color.
     
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    No I don't hold it against anyone who isn't going to watch, I DO hold it against people who basically make posts that involve "THIS MOVIE SUCKS! BAY RUINED EVERYTHING! THIS IS GONNA BE A MASSIVE BOMB!" because they have no evidence or explination for why they don't like it.

    Long story short, people don't think. They want the movie to be like they want it to be, but the fact of the matter is TF fans aren't the only ones watching this movie, the general public was very positive about the first one and are going to see this one as well. What fans want will most likely go over the heads of the public or even be reacted to in a negative way.
     
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    Unbelievable. You are continuing to be extremely insulting and disrespectful. Please try to show some respect for opposing viewpoints. Just because it's "cool" to hate on "Geewunners" in these parts doesn't make you right and certainly not mature.

    This goes both ways though. People are more likely to be receptive without thinking than rejective - that's how consumerism works. Most people don't question what's presented to them as hot shit.
     
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    And most people will question and refuse what will be presented to them before they even know what it is.
     
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    YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN THE MOVIE YET.

    How are you capable of forming opinions of something you have never seen?
     
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    I think you're only saying this to defend the movie rather than really believing it, honestly. This is almost certainly not true of anyone but a minority. The success of the Transformers movie in of itself proves you wrong.

    Regardless of how "good" or "bad" it was, it still made a lot of changes to things that fans of Transformers held dear, yet most lapped it up. Again, just because you're a fan of one thing, doesn't mean you have to be a fan of all variations of it. Really there shouldn't have been as many people as there were going in for it on one level, because it's a different thing.
     
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    I have seen the designs. I have taken issue with the designs. I have explained my reasons for this. Other people have made the same argument you did, ignoring what I said, and I corrected them. Then you come and make the same argument again.

    I have seen the designs. I am capable of judging things I have seen and I know I will enjoy the movie less if there are few designs I really like. You are reciting an apologist defense without thought.

    Please show some basic respect. I don't type up lengthy replies just so you can ignore them and insult me based on the presumed content.
     
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    Now, is that really necessary? The guy has a good point. There have been a lot of dull-colored Transformers in the movie line. This is all right on the screen, where these colors look nice on CGI (lots of reflections and stuff) but it doesn't come off so well in the toy line. Black hides too much detail and silver plastic usually looks dull. I think more color should be added to the robot-mode parts to punch up the appearance.

    Also remember that kids love to take crayons and color, and these are toys for kids. Bright colors would make them more appealing.

    Getter R, I don't think you need to "support" the movie. I do think you should give it a chance and watch it. I had my doubts about the first movie, and I still do, but I like watching it anyway. Devastator is awkward, but he's also going to be tremendous. There's a very good chance that the moviemakers will take this chance to fix some things that didn't work so well in the first movie. We've already seen some of that. Sideswipe's design, for instance, is much less messy than the first movie's designs, and he has more identifiable facial features than, say, Jazz.
     
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    This is a very good point that I didn't think of in the original post. The look somewhat sleek on screen, but when it comes to the toys they look drab and attempts to add a bit of colour generally haven't ended well(making Blackout more blue).

    He's going to walk on all 4s. If he was a proper quadraped, it might have been cooler. But when you have the technology to do crazy shit like this yet somehow it's physically impossible to stand up right, it just comes off to me as being completely retarded.

    I'll probably give the movie a try. But again recognise that a lot of my issues aren't going to be addressed. Like a lot of people I was hoping for a little more classic Transformers in this sequel, not less. Bitch at me all you like, but that's what I wanted to see. I like how movie Prime looks, at least the original art before they gave him that annoying angled chest, and wish more TFs followed suit.
     
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    If he was disapointed why would he be positive? He's got just as much right to dislike the movies as you have to like them and his points are valid forms of criticism. (Thanks by the way)

    And how is not liking the movie hurting the franchise as a whole? I hate everything about the first movie and have no intention of paying to see the second but I still love and support the other areas of the franchise.. especially G1 and Animated which I think is kick ass.

    I hate that because you don't like the movie, it instantly makes you a whining bastard. I see us 'haters' more as immensly disappointed bastards.
     
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    Um, did you not see the reactions to the first movie? People were refusing to accept everything and instead decided to accuse Bay of "ruining their childhood" and send him death threats!

    Did they see the movie before they did that? NO! They had no idea what they were gonna get, but decided to shun it, anyways.

    People watched the movie and either did or didn't like it. That's fine because they actually accepted what they were getting and formed their opinions on it afterwards instead of flaming or giving reasons why it sucked before the damn thing was released.

    I'm a fan of Transformers, but I didn't like Armada. I didn't like Energon. I didn't like the first 2 seasons of Animated all that much, either. The point is people make negative opinions and state them as facts before seeing the damn things. Is it that hard to understand?
     
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