My 2 Cents on Arcee/Bay (spoilers)

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  1. Lionsgate

    Lionsgate Well-Known Member

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    There is a lot of discussion on this character, and I think I have something to add to this discussion. For those who don't want to read the whole thing, I am highlighting key points. Please weigh in! Potential spoilers in here!

    Arcee is (at least online) been the center of a lot of attention when it comes to this movie. I think for the most part people want to see her in the film just bc it is generally cool to have a fem. bot. I think a big part of what people love about Transformers is that they come in all shapes and sizes, and yes, even genders. Not to mention Arcee had a big role in the classic animated movie we all love, which is what we really remember her from. I have been saying since the first movie that it seemed natural for her to be a major character, and be Mikaila's own companion.

    So that leads me to this movie and what Bay has been saying. I'm really concerned that he will kill her like he said. If he does it is really annoying that he would give away such a big death. But, he even goes on to say it isn't a big deal, and that Mikaila has nothing to do with her. Am I the only one that thinks he comes off as a dick in regards to this character? Almost sexist even? It seems over the top regardless.

    A big part of me believes that he is bullshitting though, because she would not have such a big role in the movie prequel series if she didn't have a substantial role in the film. The prequel was supposed to be written based on an early version of the script, so unless he really is an ass and had her role changed, she def has a decent sized role. There are 3 female bikes, which based on the Chromia toy, I am convinced combine. Since Arcee is clearly the most known and popular character of the 3 bikes (she was almost in the 1st movie), it makes no sense to me that she would die, unless its a heroic death. In the prequel comic she is portrayed as someone who doesn't do much damage, but is very brave. I think if she dies, it is saving someone's (prob Mikaila) life, either alone or as the combined form. I hope she doesn't though.

    OK! That was long. Weigh in. Do you think I am right?
     
  2. Scythe

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    I really think all the negativity going for Arcee in the live-action film is because people making the movie think it's a big deal to have to explain different genders among the bots. Not like it matters, but I've read a few articles where they've been happy not to include Arcee in the first film because they didn't know exactly that, how to describe her as a female.
     
  3. Ethereal

    Ethereal A Sad Flareon

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    In all honesty, you don't give away a character death period. The fact that Bay has just come out and blatantly said it generates hype, turmoil, anger, and discussions about the movie, like you've done here. It generates free publicity for the movie.

    Because he's so direct about it, I'm actually inclined to believe the opposite is true until proven otherwise.
     
  4. BDbots72

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    Agreed!

    Because the motorcycles are only seen in pittsburgh or China, im wondering if Jolt is really the 3 motorcycles combined. The volt was a late addy, the toy doesnt exactly mean Jolt is a true character. I just thought that might indicate why the cycles havnt been seen much.



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  5. Th3 Fall3n

    Th3 Fall3n Unicrons First Apprentice

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    yeah i agree Bay is being a dick bcuz he gets off on fucking the fans the REAL fans like us, and im going to belive the exact opposite untill the movies drops...on MY birthday..ooooh happy day..:thumbs2: 
     
  6. dorfsquest

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    IMO, very unlikely. The Volt was a late add thanks to the car manufacturer. Jolt has been described as a "foot soldier" so I'm going to assume he's different.

    PLUS, I personally think that Bay is just full of it.
     
  7. Paxtin

    Paxtin Why am I here?

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    Yeah, I think it sucks that he's going to kill off Arcee just because he didn't like the character.

    Also, it's Important to remember that Megatron won't be in the movie either. And if he was, he wouldn't be a tank, but an "Alien vehicle."
     
  8. NoenGaruth

    NoenGaruth Not liking ze dizzy...

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    I'm also hoping Arcee has a decent role in the movie and doesn't get killed off, although...

    Nah Let Mikaila kark it, if Arcee dies it should be saving a character we actually care about. XD
     
  9. BDbots72

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    Yah he should be more like Favrau, he was so good to ironman fans. Bay should take a page from his book.
     
  10. Ash from Carolina

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    Well I guess the first thing you should consider is that Bay is the guy who started the whole disinformation thing so always remember this is the same person who said Megatron was not in the movie even while Megatron was all over the toy packaging for the film.

    Second is the problem of Arcee is a female character and Bay doesn't have a great track record with female characters in his films doing too much more than look pretty and depend on the male characters. So if Arcee is like the other Bay film female roles don't expect much out of her anyway which means is not really losing anything if she did killed off.

    I guess maybe for a third would be given the way they Hollywood the robots she's likely not going to be like the Arcee we know from other places. So they are just killing off a robot that happens to have the same name and not our Arcee.
     
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    I've never, ever understood why this issue should be such a big deal and so difficult to handle.
     
  12. Alienbot

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    Me too, in fact Bob and Alex told Sci-Fi Wire recently they still weren't sure whether to bother inserting dialogue addressing the 'issue' or not. Regardless, the only reason I've grown attacked to Movie Arcee is because of her role in the comics, and Mowry could easily resurrect her in a ROTF sequel comic and post her somewhere else. Judging from her biography and the early release of her toy, it seems like Chromia will be the one we're interested in on screen.
     
  13. Coeloptera

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    See, people like Favreau are why I never thought Bay was "necessary" to the movie franchise. The fans are the reason films like this are made.

    Let me expand on that a bit, because I'm not implying that fans are "owed" anything in a film.

    If you make a movie out of a pre-existing property, that pre-existing property exists because of its fans.

    If we had not watched the cartoons and bought the toys, and read the comics, then Transformers would not be the highly sucessful franchise that it is. Very directly, the fans made the line successfull enough that it has infiltrated popular culture. Your average person may now know who Primus is, or much about the history of the Great War in different continuities, but they certainly know the name Optimus Prime and what a Transformer is.

    Because of the fans' support, the line has lasted two and a half decades. Now, it's big enough and well-known enough that major motion pictures are very viable. But the thing that should be remembered is the fact that there are elements that allowed the line to reach this point. There are reasons enough fans supported it and liked it that the movies are a reasonable investment.

    To effectively express disdain to the very people that made the cultural state that allows for the films possible, is frankly, extraordinarily classless. It is not that the films must cater to the fans exclusively, but it is the height or arrogance to assume one immediately and automatically "knows better" how to handle a property that can now draw a wider audience than the people who have been supporting it all this time and that any of their opinions are irrelevant.

    We are the ones who helped propel the line into the cultural zeitgeist because we liked what some very creative people did with it. We voted with our wallets and continue to do so. To shrug off elements that helped keep our attention, to casually dismiss things that actually helped broaden the line's appeal (such as female characters) is, frankly, distasteful in a general sense. The fact that it is specifically the issue of a female character and given Bay's history of same, that only makes it moreso.

    - Coeloptera
     
  14. WWMEGATRON

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    Indeed !!!:thumbs2: 

    If you think about it, he was taking this as a joke !! He promised he would do a misinformation campaign and that he would keep as much a secret (no megs ,no Constructicons , no Arcee or female-bike-bots )in the end all lies:rolleyes2 . Pretty much his been doing that !!!

    ....And with reason :

    Bay was angered when the constant leaks of the first movie didn't stop and definitively was pissed when the first concept images were out and was BOTHERED when fans were mad at some of the early designs. So now he came with the misinformation campaign just TO ANNOY US(his turn to piss us off). All we officially got are from some of the RotF prequel comics pages,the coloring book, some seconds of the trailers' clips and toy designs.

    I do agree, he gave quite (a questionable) huge spoiler and wants to see what we're saying ; That's what we are Doing & that's what HE WANTS.

    Our forum was among those that were the most watched during the first movie production !!!! :inquisiti 

    You gotta give'm credit !!:) 
     
  15. SPLIT LIP

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    Yeah, I think he did it for the luls, and much luls were had.
     
  16. NIDARAM12

    NIDARAM12 Robot art guy

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    This seems like a good place to ask- where did we hear that the three bikes combine into one robot again? We've assumed this for awhile now but I can't remember where that came from.
     
  17. vektsilver

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    I think Bay means what he said.

    I dont think there was much if anything of a misinformation campaign. Besides the campaign was made to stop any and all leaks and now its pretty much time to start advertising it so that campaign has been debunked and dead a while ago.

    the only misinfo we got so far was megs was not coming back and oddly enough according to Orci he didnt instead it was written as Galvatron .

    He is only called megs since the they thought it would confuse the general population. How stupid are people anyway?
     
  18. Alienbot

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    It's always been an assumption by those who heard Orci mention partly why Bay didn't like Arcee was her small size, so making her a combiner would fix that. However, know we know the three bikes have separate robot modes and names, so it seemed less likely.
     
  19. Thundercrackah

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    No it hasn't.

    The line has lasted because it constantly stays fresh enough to keep the next generation of kids interested.
     
  20. Optimus1986

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    The problem with Michael Bay is this: he's not a fan. Thus, he doesn't care about these characters.
     
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