Exactly. I don't not care about the characters, but I gave a hundred times more of a shit over Cyclonus and Tailgate when it was subtle and slow. When it's a dribble, you try and get every last drop. When it's a stream you're not able to drink it all in. Granted of course this is all my opinion, and the exact examples I give are not the only ones, but moreso than ever, I feel like it's less about the established characters. Whirl is, forever and always, my personal favourite. His twisted, emotionally stunted world views have never not been the highlight of whatever stories he's been a part of, even in season 2. Even amidst the over-emotional season 2, Whirl's comments and bluntness towards Cyclonus feel entirely natural. Like he's the only character aware of how overly... sappy everyone's become. Meanwhile, Nautica's entire thing with whatever-endura feels like a total flatline. Her literally bearing her spark to the assorted friends is a perfect example: it's just too much. Too heavy-handed. It took what should have been a subtle, restrained event and made it flashy and literal. And some of her chocies feel, to me as a reader and what I've witnessed, sort of lacking in personal connection. Like Velocity, yeah I've been told they're best friends, but haven't really seen it. Rung, I actually can't recall them ever actually speaking aside from briefly mentioning books or something. Brainstorm is easier to accept, but I just thought they were good friends. Instead of making her good friends with everyone, she should've had one relationship that was really built up. Because her affections have been spread across so many characters, none of the connections feel entirely deep and deserving of such a deeply personal ritual. In my opinion, I dunno. Ech, I'm belabouring the point now, but that example always stuck with me and I just figured out why when you said less is more. I don't even dislike the scene, it just totally doesn't get any sort of response from me. So is everyone in just two camps for you? Blind lovers and irrational haters? I still consider myself a MTMTE fan, despite having almost total apathy to most of season 2. If I wasn't, I wouldn't buy the books and keep anticipating, if maybe not expecting, the next issue to "get better." Maybe the relaunch will smooth things out. I like lots of stuff that isn't perfect. Doesn't mean I can't see it's faults. I consider myself a more faithful reader for seeing it's faults. I'm really not liking this whole "there must be a clear distinction between praise and criticism" when really it should all just be "dicussion."