First off, I have to question some of your tastes... The first Blade was pretty good, and the first two XMen movies were good, as were the first two Spidey movies... You make it seem like ALL Marvel movies before this summer sucked, and as a general consensus, that is not the case.

Iron Man and Hulk were great but both were flawed too. Iron Man get a free pass because Robert Downey Jr happens to be a perfect Tony Stark. But the cluttered captivity scene and the Final battle with Iron Monger were low points. Not to mention him revealing that he's Iron Man?

And the Hulk?! Once again, a great acting performance by Ed Norton lifts the movie. What about the Hulk catching a beat down from Abomination and never going feral and crushing him? Seeing the Hulk "VISIBLY SIGH" like he doesn't want to fight?!

Dude you're making it sound like Rob Downey Jr is am a list actor. HE IS NOT. He knocked Tony Stark out the park (in part because he is/was an addicted rich guy like Stark). It's like DMX playing a crazy street thug in a movie... It's not that far removed from him, so it comes across as real. RDJ is not like a Jack Nicholas or Rob Deniro, where he can just toss the script and improv cause he's in character. If anything, he did this role great because, if he didn't, what small light was left in his career would be over.

Second, when the hell did Transformers become this deep complex thing? Watch G1 and or Beast Wars and or Animated, and tell me where all this hi level, philosophical, highly coherent and cohesive imagining of TFs is coming from. Until Simon Furman is a writer for the movie series, it will be this way. I don't need to wax philosophical on Optimus Prime origins, I need to see him kick someones ass. A slight glimpse at why they fight would be nice, but since when is war a deep issue? All wars are over territory or beliefs. Why would the TFs be any different? Why do so many people need TFs to be some deep sci fi drama that ITS ALMOST NEVER BEEN? Plus a movie this big needs a sponser. Do you know how much it might cost to aquire rights to individual cars? You could eat so much into the budget that the robots barely get animated. At least GM owns tons of brands.

Third, Chris Nolan MIGHT do a decent job with TFs, but I don't want that motherF%%^$^ Singer anywhere near TFs, not after the steaming pile of poo that was Superman Returns. Favreau, ehh I think I would pass.

 

Iron Man has a more consistent source material. He always wears armor, the Mandarin is always an evil Chinese dude with magic rings, and every other villain is just some evil guy with armor.

Megatron has barely ever been the same thing twice in a row, and Optimus Prime/Primal has run the gamut of personalities from a stern and serious capable leader, to a wet behind the ears rookie in over his head. Heck, sometimes the conflict isn't even Autobots Vs. Decepticons.

 

So that makes her a "whore" and/or a "hoe?"

I don't care if she's in the movie or not. But there's no point in juvenile name-calling.

 

No Bryan Singer please. I don't need Transformers to be a big gay allegory like the X-Men movies were.

 

Interview sort of has me worried we might be in for another script all over the place like the first movie was. Just seems like a movie is really unfocused when you could cut out parts of it without losing anything. Having to rewrite while they are deep into filming already just doesn't sound like a great story working it's way to us next summer. Kind of worried instead of characters we might end up with more "grrr, Decepticon mad, Decepticon smash!"

Fox is okay if you don't have the internet or a stash of porn, but come on it's not like we can't download pictures of cute hot women from all over the world any time we'd like so I'd sort of like to hear a bit about things like the robots.

Maybe it's just disapointment from the first time bleeding threw into this time, but it would be nice to hear something other than outlandish claims of how big the movie will be or a least have them pretend for a few seconds the robots were the stars of the movie. Maybe I'm just a geek, but I'm only going for the robots because the human cast really didn't do anything to make me want to spend money on ticket to see what the human characters are doing now.

 

Could you possibly lay on the elitism and snobbery any thicker? Geez, not only is it okay for you to dislike the movie, you have insult everyone that DOES like it now...

 

Honestly, the first two X-men movies were merely okay. I honestly didn't like Blade, and I know I'm not alone on that. Spiderman... well, if it hadn't been Tobey and Dunce (yeah, I know how ya spell it) it would have been better. Although, I still feel those scripts were lacking -- especially the 2nd. Overall, Spidey 1 & 2 did a reasonable job presenting a Spiderman-centric universe, but really seemed, well, boring.

Hulk was not my favorite of the two new films. However, let's make a few quick comparisons with TF1:

1) Marvel got much better actors, Roth and Norton specifically. None of the TF1 cast stands out, although, Shia did a decent job with Sam. Still, the kid is over-rated and filmmakers are pushing his career in the spotlight, rather than his characters or the story. See TF1 and Indy 4.

2) Hulk had plenty of action that folks could keep track of. MB likes blurry, bumpy shots. I get it. But what good are super-detailed CG models when all you see is a streak across the screen?

3) Hulk was the star of Hulk's movie. Blonsky (sp?) and Banner's human stories were great, kept us entertained and reduced the cost compared to an all-Hulk movie. But ultimately, Hulk was the star.

I'm tired, and I'm rambling -- and I'm sick of the "be thankful for what we have arguments." Tell that to all the Marvel fans regarding the original Cap and Punisher movies. Just cause someone makes a movie out of source material you're vested in, doesn't mean you have to turn a blind-eye to its flaws. This is a discussion board to discuss, well, the TF movies. That includes the good, the bad, and the ugly.

 

Agreed. That post is exactly the type of petty, childish attitude I'm sick to death of from people who dislike these TF movies.

I have no problem with people disliking anything, it means nothing to me and I don't care but when they wheel out these little egotistical posts, tantrums and start putting down people who do like these things that just disgusts me.

I had the guy on ignore before but you quoted his drivel, now I see I was utterly correct in doing so.

 

Oh give me a break, Beastbot. Pointing out Bay's main target audience as a director (and the part you're obviously bent out of shape about here) is NOT the same thing as saying everyone who happens to like the movie falls into that specific category. If that's what I wanted to say, then I would have. I've seen the movie dozens of times, own two versions of it on DVD, thoroughly do enjoy parts of it and have NEVER said it completely sucked. I just think it could have been done much better and am disappointed that this is the franchise that had to get the Bay treatment. But the last thing I've done is pull elitism or snobbery. If that's how it appeared, then I apologize as it was not my intent.

I expect some people to disagree with my opinion, but come on, don't take it so personally. If words on a screen could ever properly convey the intended inflection & tone that discussing it in person would do, trust me, you wouldn't feel insulted at all. Don't let a lot of words translate to mean ranting blind range.  

Aye, and people that pop out of nowhere while attempting to put words in the mouths of anyone who disagrees with their opinion is exactly the ignorant bullshit I'm sick to death of.

Kids.

 

Allow me to summarize. The first movie was great. TF2 will be even better. The end.

 

I said no such thing and you know it. Please don't put words in my mouth. A question was asked about the dislike for this particular actress and I simply gave my two cents on that, but not once did I myself call her a whore or a hoe as I'm sure that while she is a bad actress she's not a street walker.

Further more, on the subject of people referring to Miss Fox as such I do find it to be a bit on the juvenile side. But, you know what, people have the right to voice their opinions whether I like them or not as long as they don't violate this boards rules.

On another note (and this isn't directed at you MagnusPrimal), some of you kids need to figure out that people have differing opinions. Don't like someones opinion? That's fine. Either discuss it rationally or get over it and move on. The flaming and deliberate flame baiting within these movie threads makes me sick all the way around from both sides of the argument.

 

I don't know what to say.........I agree with everyone on this thread...The first movie could have been better......The second film will probably be just like the first.......I am glad that there was finally a live action TF film....Fox is cute but the whole "Just look hot" thing is a little bit disheartening. I could care less about the damn humans. Bay is an action movie guy not a character story type guy...


I just pray......That maybe just a little more...just a little....character development for the bots will occur.....

Oh....and the whole Megan is a 'hoe' is funny............but she has my name tattoo'd on her belly....cuz I'm cool like that.....................but she really isn't anything to write home about for real.......

 

But this movie is about the TRANSFORMERS! Not about the stupid humans!

 

I called her a whore because that's what she is, if not literally than figuratively. It has nothing to do with her acting ability (or lack thereof). I have a big problem with anyone who puts pictures of themselves like that on the Internet and whose sole purpose in acting is to be "teh hot girl". So, not definition 1 of the word, but the other 2:

whore (hôr, hōr)
n.
A prostitute.
A person considered sexually promiscuous.
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

It definitely comes across as a backhanded insult to those who enjoyed the movie-- I really think you're on the wrong track that Bay aims for the lowest common denominator-- but whatever, if I was reading it wrong than I was reading it wrong. It's cool, then.

 

My question is, why is she talking? She was not hired to talk.  

 

Hey, I've got something to settle the whole argument.

(1.) If you don't think you're going to like the movie, stay home and don't see it.
(2.) Since you're inevitably going to ignore #1 and go see it anyway, don't complain too much, because your dollars and your butt in the seat was a vote IN FAVOR of what you saw on the screen.
(3.) If you like the movie, rock on, because 2009 is going to be a stellar Transformers year for you.
(4.) Remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and most of them stink.

 

Save your time, Velcrohead; they won't listen. They never do.
Personally, I have less than no interest in sitting through the same old merry-go-round we all had to endure in 2007, so I don't intend to bother posting in many movie related threads. I'll reserve my judgement until I actually go see the movie and probably decide what I think then. Nothing said on here will change that. I still enjoy watching the first movie. That hasn't changed either.
The haters can seize on every single little tidbit as much as they like; the opinions of anyone else whatsoever have no impact on my own opinion, and as such this time round I intend to totally ignore them all.  

 

I don't know I rather enjoy all the pre-movie speculation. Some people have some pretty good ideas about what might happen that adds an extra little bit of fun to see what we manage to guess right and what we've guessed wrong. Even the foaming at the mouth hate and love crowd manages to keep things interesting because it can be funny to read how it's going to be the worst movie ever made and end the torment of Bay movies forever or how it's going to be so great we will all rush home and burn all our old Transformers stuff for not living up the greatness of the movie.

Or maybe I'm just not serious enough of a person to get all caught up in how important the movie is. Just seems like one more stop in the long trip that has been Transformers so far.

Just seems like a bit of fun to watch all this movie related drama so maybe I need to redefine what I find fun.

 

Sage advice.

 

It's the movie forum. I'm honestly not surprised.