Maybe Just Inevitable

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by thunder97, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. francesco92

    francesco92 Well-Known Member

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    You said yourself. It was filming. Films like this change every minute during the production and post production. The similarity between avengers and DOTM are way too much to be just a coincidence.
     
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  2. FoolishDoomedCreature

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    Yeah, they're gonna rewrite and reshoot a huge blockbuster with years of world building coming down to it, in which they've placed all of their hopes, to make it more similar to a god-awful Transformers movie. Yeah.
     
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    It doesn't take a genius to figure it out: both in DOTM and The Avengers, the lead bad guy activates a space portal that brings an alien army to conquer Earth. Both in DOTM and The Avengers the aliens have gigantic worms who looks absolutely identical in designe and who both destroys buildings as soon as they showed up.

    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141709/2711331-5879959_700b_v1__1_.jpg here's a hint if you think I'm the only one who noticed it

    The difference is that the chitauri barely pose as a treath since they are easily defeated even by the powerless members of the team and they barely got to do any damage (did they even kills civilians on screen?). Unlike the Decepticon invasion who is horrific and feels like the end of the world really came.

    But if you're stuck with your opinion that DOTM is god-awful, I can see you denie that a movie you liked was inspired by it anyway.
     
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    People want something new. That's what was so great about growing up in the 80s....we got new stuff all the time...except for Friday the 13th sequels....and heck, they even put the word 'new' in a couple times.
     
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    Avengers was in planning since 2008. You think they're gonna scrap 3 years and 5 movies and another one already written and partially shooted to copy a movie heavily critiziced by basically anyone that came out just a year before the other?
    BTW, you're "similarities" are so ridiculously loose and generic. The Decepticons pose a threat? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
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    No I think they saw a movie that made more than a billion, therefore clearly appealed to the audience regardless of what critics said and thought that there were a lot of cool elements and that it would have been a good idea to take a hint from them. And they did
     
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    Please stop bickering about who ripped off who and insulting people over which side you're on. It's all speculation, anyways.
     
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    Quoted for truth.



    Personally, I enjoyed Avengers much more than DOTM — despite the similarities. I've also rewatched Avengers a few times and would happily do so again (I also own it on DVD). I've attempted rewatching DOTM and can barely get through the first 10 minutes. It was the first TF movie I didn't buy on home video.
     
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    Unfortunately insulting people over wich side you're on is the whole point of this forum apparently.I'm sad to say it but someone has to..
     
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    Once filming has started, there's normally only time for minor additional scenes and similar changes, generally focusing on stuff like new dialog, not big direction switches.
     
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    My first thought when I saw Avengers was "Wow, I remember when this was Dark of the Moon, only Dark of the Moon Was better." DotM filmed in summer 2010, Avengers 2011. Very easy to take the concept. Michael Bay realistically devastated an entire city and proved it could be done. Movies like Avengers that came after that really owe him a debt of gratitude. And being in Chicago during filming and seeing how he transformed the city into an urban apocalypse was fascinating.

    Marvel does get a pass on a lot of things. But at some point, perhaps in the near future, they, too, will have a bomb. And remember, Robert Downey, Jr can't play Iron Man forever. And I wouldn't compare TF5 to Wonder Woman. Compare it to Wonder Woman 5 in a decade.
     
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    Circle of doom in the sky seems to be the most over done thing in Hollywood right now. The Fantastic Four reboot had the sky circle of doom. Suicide Squad had the sky circle of doom. Sometimes it's like all the Hollywood writers hang out in the same bar going you know what we could all do over and over.

    For a while it was taboo in Hollywood to knock down buildings but when it became kosher again we've been drowning in how many buildings can Hollywood knock down before go eh I've seen it to the point of being bored to tears.
     
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    I think that comparison is good for showing how Hollywood blockbusters (or movies in general) are awfuly formulaic. The emerged phenomena of third act collapse only showcases it more. All Transformers movies reuse the same story formula. The same thing can be said about all MCU movies. All the time, the same story beats: action-packed first 15min to show how cool the character is, the mystery plot, because not everything is as its appear, the hero vs villian round 1, the crisis, the hero is back in action and totally generic final battle with a lot of destruction and generic hordes of enemies. The franchise fatigue caught up with Transformers after 10 years, how long does the MCU have left while reusing the same formula over and over again to the point of cannibalizing itself (Avengers/AOU, Iron Man/Doctor Strange).

    As this year showed people want something differet that breaks that old Hollywood formula or at least do not follow it so dilligently. Movies such as Logan, Get Out, Wonder Woman and Baby Driver proved just that. TV series dropped the formulaic approach to storytelling and are trying to outdo each other with how many tropes they can subvert. They are in their hay days right now. It's time for Hollywood to do the same, because can you imagine someone doing a movie in similar tone to Game of Thrones or Westworld on the big screen with the current state of things?
     
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    ROLLLLLL EEEEEEYYYYEEEESSSS

    Most of the Avengers movie is a watered down version of a comic book story that came out years before there were ANY live action TF movies. So Avengers didn't rip off shit.

    Avengers is easily one of my least favorite Marvel movies, and I enjoyed DotM a hundred times more, but let's at least be realistic with the accusations here.
     
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    And you've only been a member for 3 years, we've been having the same arguments since 2007!
     
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    the difference being that in 2007 it seemed that the tf movie verse was actually a good thing done (kinda good).

    and i'm not saying that because it was new (although that had a factor in it aswell) but it was just a easy to follow story with simple characters that where actually sort of true to the source material (somewhat).
     
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    It's not just the circle of doom, it's the fact that in both the occasions the lead bad guy open a portal to bring forth an army of alien soldiers to take over the world. This doesn't happen in SS or in FF, but it happens in both Avengers and DOTM. And the similarity is in the designe of the worms (the fact that they both destroy buildings after they appear also helped).
     
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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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    The Avengers is an adaptation of the Ultimates, a comic from 2002. DOTM came out in 2011.
    End of discussion.
     
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    i enjoy how people hated dotm & yet praised the bland avengers when avengers stole the f out of dotm's finale...im talking about from a visual perspective..it was almost the same damn climax

    had michael bay directed the avengers EXACTLY how it was directed people would hate it but because it was joss wheldon, they were falling over each other to praise him & vice versa for dotm

    they even went light on him for avengers 2 which was just trash

    i dont understand the criticism of explosions in action movies, that's like complaining about nudity in porn
     
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