Match 2: TFP Ratchet vs TFA Ratchet!

Discussion in 'Transformers Robots In Disguise / Prime Discussion' started by Black Oracle, May 20, 2011.

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TFP Ratchet or TFA Ratchet?

Poll closed May 23, 2011.
  1. TFP Ratchet, "[B]I needed that![/B]"

    47 vote(s)
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  2. TFA Ratchet, "Old war wounds acting up again."

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  1. Black Oracle

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    On with round 2 of the TFP vs TFA character matches! This time it's:

    TFP Ratchet vs TFA Ratchet!

    Sceanrio: At Autobot base just outside of Jasper, Nevada, Ratchet is suddenly interrupted by the arrival of a red and white ambulance van through the groundbridge. To his surprise, the ambulance van transforms into an old Autobot that bears a striking resemblance to him: TFA Ratchet! TFA Ratchet, bewildered and confused at his surroundings, demands to know where he is. Electromagnets emerge from both his arms when he sees his TFP counterpart. TFP Ratchet, believing him to be an intruder, brings out his arm blades and charges at him.

    Who will be left standing? Cranky old TFA Ratchet or grumpy, snarky TFP Ratchet? Place your votes, folks!
     
  2. Digilaut

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    These matches are silly. The tone of both series is so radically different, if this was about fighting skill any Prime bot would win from any Animated bot.

    I'm voting for TFA Ratchet because right now I think he was the better character. So far, TFP Ratchet feels like a weaker version of TFA Ratchet, and I'm already sick of the 'I NEEDED THAT!' running gag.

    But he's still awesome!
     
  3. SPLIT LIP

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    While I agree these matches are silly, I can't agree with this.

    The Animated Autobots use tricks, misdirection and gadgets to defeat their enemies. All the Prime bots know is to shoot and hit stuff. The Animated bots could win, especially in this case since Ratchet in TFA was quite capable, and while I love TFPrime Ratchet, he's not as good.

    I voted TFA Ratchet because not only the above, but because he just had more time to develope and was such a great character. TFPrime Ratchet is gold and probably the best part of the show, but he simply hasn't had time to develope like TFA has. Though I agree "I NEEDED THAT" is getting kinda stale.
     
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    I'd have to go with Animated. Though both are VERY similar, we've just seen more development with Animated Ratchet. But this judgment is mainly because TF: PRIME isn't even out of its first season yet, and I'm sure there'll be time to develop Ratchet more. TF: ANIMATED Ratchet is a war veteran, and TF: PRIME Ratchet (so far) is just a grumpy medic/scientist.

    I'm going to laugh if A) Bulkhead breaks something again, and Ratchet's like "Bulkhead, you're lucky I didn't need that...", or B) Optimus accidentally steps on something, and Ratchet says "Optimus, I...(Optimus looks at Ratchet)...will clean that up!"
     
  5. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Prime Ratchet, I think he's got a better design, voice and personality than the Animated version.

    I love the I NEEDED THAT!!!!!!!!! Line, It's turning into quite a catchphrase. Jeffrey Combs is perfect as Ratchet, I hope they put some Re-Animator references.
     
  6. General Magnus

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    I can´t really agree with this. Prime bots are better fighters and soldiers. A trickster can´t really defeat a soldier. Honestly the Animated bots were very poor fighters and would get their asses handed to them in a straight fight, which was what happened with the Decepticons, even their strongest bot, Magnus was left in a coma after Shockwave attacked him.

    It amazes me how they won the war really.
     
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    I think Prime Ratchet is a far more entertaining character in every respect.
     
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    Of course they can.

    And I never said the Animated bots were trickers, they just think more than "ME SMASH ME SHOOT BANG BANG" of the TFPrime bots.

    Which is why they would never keep it a straight fight. That's why I'm saying they'd use different ways of defeating their enemies, which makes them a lot more copetant than the TFPrime bots who just fire blindly or do absurd jumps then pauses in midair.
    Project Omega?
     
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    TFA is the better character, IMO. However, as for who would win? Dunno. It would be a close call.
     
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    I honestly prefer TFP Ratchet over TFA Ratchet.
     
  11. UnicronFTW

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    I love em both. I can't decide a winner.
     
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    I'm sorry you both find these matches silly. Just thought it might be fun to pit the TFP and TFA casts against one another. Whilst some results might seem obvious, others may not be. And I figured for the 'bots at least, the fact that the Animated 'bots had more time to develop with and gain fighting experience in 3 seasons could work a little in their favour against the seemingly stronger Autobot cast of Prime.

    But if others seem to think these matches are silly too or there's not much response to them, then I might pull the plug on this idea. I certainly don't want to annoy people. The point of this is just to have a bit of fun and maybe generate some thoughtful and humorous comparisons between the characters of Animated and Prime.

    I believe it was the Omega Sentinels and Space bridges that gave the 'bots the advantage over the 'cons. They had better technology and ingenuity. And the jettisoning of the Allspark through a space bridge was what finally brought the war to an end.
     
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    So they had to resort to superweapons. Even then, the Decepticons has aerial superiority and they could smashs Omegas if soldiers like Blackout are any indication.

    As for other means. Meh, shooting is always the simple and most effective method. Remember when it took all 4 or 5 of them to hold off Blitzwing (poorly I might add), had the Prime bots be the ones who fought him, poor old Blitz would be scrapmetal. Soemtimes, the "ME SMASH! SHOOT!" option is the best one.

    Add to the fact Prime bots are more willing to kill, which in a fight is a major advantage. That and the military experience. A group is a bunch of rookies with little to no experience, the other is made up of war veterans. Who do you think is gonna win?
     
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    Well, yeah. That's was the entire friggin' plot. They can't single-handedly take out every decepticon one-on-one. Decepticons in TFA are WAY more powerful than the bots of TFPrime. The 'Cons in Prime are about your average Decpticon, but in Animated they were specifically made to be far more powerful war machiens versus the Autobot's worker class.

    Soldiers like Blackout are unique specimens and in no way represent Decepticons as a whole.

    Not always.

    Pfft, hardly. Blitzwing was not a pushover. The only reason he gave the Autobots such a tough time was because of how strong and unpredictable he was. The TFPrime bots would fair no better against him that the Animated bots, since it'd devolve into a 9incredibly boring, knowing TFPrime) firefight, and Blitzwing is more armoured and has more devastating weaponry.

    Often times it's the most counter-productive.

    An advantage, but not a certainly of victory. You could have all the advantages in the world and still fall to someone who could out-think you, which I believe the Animated bots are far more capable of doing that the Prime bots. (who've never really expressed any real creative thinking)

    Rookies? Ratchet is a war veteran and Prime graduated top of his class. They're not rookies by any stretch.
     
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    Animated Ratchet was a combat medic. While at least 4 of the 5 bots in Prime were actually frontline soldiers.

    And Blitz weapons weren´t really that effective, the flame blasts and freezing rays aren´t exactly weapons you take to a war. A simple blaster is a much more effective weapon and with greater range of fire. Just snipe Blizts making use of your blaster gun that has far greater range than a ice based or flame based attack.

    And honestly how can the fights in Prime are boring? At least they´re actual fights as opposed to the lametastic action of Animated winch consisted of the Cons owning the bots asses most of the times.
     
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    TFA Ratchet would take TFP Ratchet apart. Hello? Electromagnetic weapons? He'd throw him all over the place. TFA has the experience and the tech that TFP could only hope to have, arm blades or not.
     
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    And so is TFPrime Ratchet.

    You seem to forget this isn't about any TFA Autobot fighting any TFPrime bot, it's Ratchet vs Ratchet, and TFA Ratchet would win.

    Seem pretty effective to me.

    Flame blasts don't belong in war? Uh, yeah they do.

    Fire is the first ingredient to any war pie.

    Except Blitwing's ice and fire attacks seem to have the exact same range of fire as any blaster. He fires them just as he would any other ammunition. (don't forget he also has access to regular blaster attacks)

    Watch them. You'll see. they eitehr stand around firing like lumps or play really uninspired versions of Rockem' Sockem' Robots.

    You mean the interesting fights of Animated? The ones where they use varrying styles of combat and strategies to overcome adversity?

    Agreed. Plus TFA basically has a "shut anyone I want off" blaster.
     
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    Fireblast aren´t really that useful in wars. There´s a reason why flamethrowers soldiers are considered VERY dangerous jobs. Fire has a shorter range.

    Oh I watch the fights. Usually with both sides being more or less balanced as opposed tot he bitchslpas that were the Animated fights.
     
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    Fire, yes, but Blitzwing's fire attacks are not flamethrowers, they are actual firely projectiles.

    The "bitchslpas" were at least interesting and forced the heroes to think outside the box, making them seem less powerful but more intelligent and making you wonder just how they were going to get themselves out of this one.

    In TFPrime? Imma guess their gonna shoot or stab their way out. Did I win? Yes. Every time. There's never any question that the Prime bots are gonna win. Which wouldn't be bad per-se, but the fights look so unimpressive it's so hard to get invested. With TFA, even though the animation fluctuated, the actual setup and the way the battles played out were interesting.
     
  20. Black Oracle

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    SL and GM, if I might chip in, I agree with SL's point about the Animated 'bots being able to out-think and out-smart their enemies and they've proven adaptable to different situations. That's how they made up for their physical and weaponry disadvantages against the Decepticons.

    But I agree with GM about finding the fights in Prime more plausible than in Animated. You can believe that the Prime 'bots are capable of taking on the 'cons. They're skilled and have unique combat styles. In Animated, it was a bit of a miracle and slightly unbelievable that Prime's crew survived so long and did as well as they did against the significantly more powerful 'cons. But it's been interesting to watch both approaches to how the 'bots fought against the 'cons. Prime has offered us competent and formidable Autobot fighters, Animated gave us ill-equipped and unprepared Autobots that rose to the challenge. I can see the merits of both.

    Something to note about the 'bots in both series as well: they're both meant to be at a disadvantage of some sort against the 'cons. In Animated, the 'bots were smaller, weaker and less strongly armed than the 'cons. In Prime, the 'bots are outnumbered by the 'con army. So even in Prime, tho' the 'bots seem to be more battle-hardened, they're still having to be careful and thoughtful with how they combat the enemy.

    Good point! The elctromagnets offer TFA Ratchet the option of keeping a distance. I believe TFP Ratchet needs to get in close to do any damage since I don't recall him ever producing any long-range blasters.
     
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