Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Sol Fury, Sep 8, 2016.
Well, I guess Japan can't say that villians don't sell well.
To me this the part that is most damning. The stuff we are seeing are issues that anyone who just used the finished figure for a few hours would see.
So which is it?
- They modified the design after the test runs?
- They didn't play-test the test runs?
- The factor deviated from the test runs?
- Or Takara ignored the defects and said 'close enough'
Some of these issues (like this pin protrusion, the barrel issue, etc) are all things that should have been caught in the production sample runs and improved upon.
You are a naughty boy!
If I had video editing software I would totally put a porno sax soundtrack on there before I uploaded it.
That was strangely erotic!
Did you perform Jarrod's mod or your own?
Please share which part you sanded down so I can partake in some of that horizontal action and throw caution to the wind.
I did a mod from a video I watched a picture tutorial I read a couplfe of weeks ago? But essentially I tested it myself and took the silencer apart (it's pretty darn simple) and sanded the bits I felt needed sanding. It's not particularly involved but y'know, I shouldn't be needing to fix a 'Masterpiece' straight out the box. IIRC every recent MP I've picked up (except Shockwave) has needed a fix of some kind, usually chrome related.
I too would expect serious issues consistently happening should have been picked up before production.
It makes me try to take stock and wonder how serious and widespread the issues really are. Other than dbae14's nasty arm chip and some scraped barrels, all I really recall seeing posted here and in video reviews are tiny nicks and chips on corners and edges you need a magnifying glass or close up photo to even see - the sort of stuff other painted figures suffer from too.
How many people have reported badly scraped barrels? I've not been keeping count - less than 10? I've done no sanding at all and have now had my silencer on and off carefully around 10 times and no sign of rub at all. Maybe the vast majority are like mine? To my surprise even my fusion cannon mount hasn't suffered any chipping - that is the place I'd expect it as you are literally clipping onto paint!
OK... my total damage survey after about 5 to-and-from alt modes...
- 2mm nick/scratch caused by 'the protruding pin issue'
- approx 1 sq.mm area rub on one side of the helmet caused by rubbing with the part that swings around his head in gun mode
- slightly smaller rub on top of helmet from same part as above during transformation
- two tiny 1mm nicks - symmetrical, one on the front/outside of each thigh. Must I think be caused by contact with those little silver grooved parts of his butt panels in alt mode.
- couple of small 2mm scratches on one of his back panels - if you lift up his 'kibble backpack' the two panels you are looking at either side of the trigger - one of those, the left one, not sure how that was caused
- various rubs on corners around hinges and what not deep in his inner mechanisms that had no need to be painted anyway, are totally inevitable, and don't impact the figure in either mode, so dont really count
I've had to look really hard for that, most of it is barely noticeable unless you are specifically looking up close for damage, none of it bothers me, and if I go over to my cabinet and look at other heavily painted figs, they are generally the same if not worse.
If most people have a similar experience to myself, then perhaps it's reasonable no alarm bells were ringing during pre-production at Takara? Personally I'm of the opinion maybe this whole 'omg serious paint issues' is a bit of an over reaction much like the earlier 'omg breakage issues' - a few weeks in now and we're still on... just the three original breakage reports, I believe?
Certainly there is the question of frequency... which leads to the question of QC and consistent production. Are these problems just sloppy examples, or are there systemic issues? Considering the problem are largely consistent so far.. I'm leaning more towards 'a design with low tolerances' combined with poor material choices.
When trying to compute frequency it's difficult... not everyone will post a 'me too', and of course without real inspection, exaggeration is always a factor
And the hilarious realization that had he not been painted at all this thread would be people complaining about lack of paint
Such is the life of a masterpiece thread
That's like saying if I punched a hole through someone's face(at 9,000+MPH....which is possible, I've measured the speed to scientifically verify), he would be alive with no hole in his face if he was 1st slathered in automotive paint.
Paint is made from pigment/binder/liquid. Physically it can chip and it most likely will unless you coat it 95 times with clear coat. Maybe Takara could've molded this in bare HASBRO GREY plastic but I would rather take my gorgeously painted, smiling faced chipper Megatron over HASBRUUUUH grey.
Well, it took me 45 mins to get into a submarine, and 30 mins to get back into robot. Stupidly I broke a tiny bit off his skirt when I tried to spread his hips (ooer) and when it didn't budge, maybe I shouldn't have forced it? Stupid boy. Anyway I superglued the tiny fragment back and it seems to be holding so eh. Still annoying though.
Anyway I can't see any kind of paint chipping going back and forth (admittedly only once so far) but I honestly didn't see any risk factors as I was doing it. Conversion is absolutely mental. Well impressed.
Thanks. I might test an inconspicuous spot if I work up the nerve heh
For some reason this brings Chuck Norris to mind.
I noticed something today about the Silencer, the reason some may have had issues with the Silencer not going on, may have had the Silencer barrel section turned, it does get tighter if it's turned one way vs the other. It will still go on some, but you may find it feels tighter forcing it on then trying to twist is how people broke the couple barrels. My Silencer went on snug, but it went all the way on, I tried it later after doing the bot mode over the shoulder cannon thing, and never turned the Silencer barrel back, tried to put it on, noticed it was so much tighter, looked, twisted the Silencer barrel, it slid on easy again.
I just looked today when I transformed mine again, saw exactly what happened, The pin sticks out about a MM, if I ever transform him again, that pin gets fixed. On a good note, it's not bothered the paint since the first time.
Takara uses Polyamide in the higher stress parts that aren't high enough for metal. Poly is way more durable than ABS, but from what I've seen it does have the reputation for being hard to paint.And old Legos...yeah man, they can become brittle, we got my son a box from his Cousin, who had them a long while and they were in turn bought at a yard sale, some of them are just snapping. But, ABS and other plastics in general have come a long way in 30 years.
And yeah, the classic lazy or Hasblo posts, never cease to amaze.
I transformed mine again today, and looked at him. The shoulder of the left arm where that pin in the ass area hit it it the single most noticeable spot, the barrel tip if you look from about a foot away. Other than that I need to physically hold the figure to my face to notice the other ones, and none have worsened with further transformations. And to be safe, I removed the face and chest before each conversion. But as I've said before, Apollyon had scuffing from the Silencer, no one can even use Despo or Might as examples since MT and DX9 didn't bother to include said accessory, which no doubt would have upped the price due to adding more parts count, but people never speak to that fact when talking about prices. Apollyon was $160 or something orignally, then V2 was $140 and he is not half the figure MP36 is, even with paint chips.
Blown way out of proportion is what I'd call this issue. Perhaps people stare at their figures with magnifying glasses or something. They act like the paint just turns to powder if you touch it, that is nowhere even near the case.
So, Megatron's butt pin is scratching his arms now? Sheesh...
I'm never going to transform this guy. I know that's probably blasphemy to some as he IS a Transformer, and that is the point of his existence. At the same time, bis alt mode never impressed me. I do like it, but not enough to want to live with the carnage it does to the guy. That said, I've really warmed up to him since first getting him in-hand. I still like the 2/3 3P versions more, but I am content with MP-36. I still hope TT released an improved version and/or one that is painted more like the G1 toy with lighter silver body and red on the inside of the inner lower legs. But as he is, he's okay. It's just a shame that he is plagued with cosmetic and clearance issues.
That looks wrong on so many levels.
Indeed! Shockwave's gettin' it on from watching that! LMAO.
My USPS tracking hasn't changed status sonce the 16th, reading as processed through ISC NY.
Really hoping I'm just being paranoid here.
My shipment has been stuck there since the 5th. I think these are being seized. I thought they would be okay since it is too large to be considered a realistic replica, but it looks like they view these as unacceptable for entry.
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