Man charged with child pornography for possessing manga comics

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  1. Cal

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    Comic translator convicted of possessing child pornography... after police seize his collection of Japanese manga cartoons

    Wait, mangas are considered child pornography now? :eek:  *runs home and burns stash*
     
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    They should enforce this law in Japan.
     
  3. FanimusMaximus

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    ...I'm not sure what to say to this.
     
  4. Cal

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    Forget it. Their whole society would collapse. :D 
     
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    Yeah, but with real girls, not drawings.
     
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    What I don't understand is that, while I find it incredibly disturbing that Manga does seem to depict very young girls engage in sexual acts - willingly and unwillingly - how do they determine how old the girls depicted actually are? Since, they're not real girls?

    I don't like them, because I do feel uncomfortable with how young the girls appear, but, couldn't the creator of said manga just say they are adults? How can any court prove otherwise?
     
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    Here is some more stuff from the case, from a story on Anime News Network:

    So, that was the line of reasoning. 'No real people' vs. 'no real case'. And 'no real case' won, even though they were claiming that something as stylized as manga could be a life drawing.

    It's a paper-thin case. The only reason it won, I think, is because the images were probably disturbing, and the people viewing them were horrified that an artist would imagine something like that, and that a reader would be interested in reading. And I would be horrified, too, I imagine. And so should you - but stop. Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment, even honorable emotions, because here is the problem:

    When legal authorities are permitted to prosecute people for things in their minds, where does it stop?

    What about images that could be used to coerce people into performing rebellion against a government? And what if we looked at all the comics with some degree of violence or drug use, and arrested their readers, claiming the comic could be based on actual criminal experience? What would you say about that, Hedvig Trost?

    It's a strange feeling, that you or I could pick up a pencil and commit a crime. It's a feeling I thought humankind was finally breaking free from, but now it seems to be slipping stealthily back.
     
  8. LoC Soundwave

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    Well said.

    I'm not sure if this counts as politics or not, so I'll tread lightly. But a large part of the issue lies around Sweden's very vague child pornography laws. There's no actual definition in the paragraphs what counts as child pornography which often leaves it up to personal interpretation. The views on nudity vary from person to person and culture to culture. To some, it represents freedom, to another it's indecent, shameful and/or erotic and to yet another it might represent a state of vulnerability.

    Every year, the Swedish Ministry of Justice receive several complaints that some kids movies (Madicken, Pippi Longstocking and Ronia, the Robber's Daughter) contain scenes which might constitute as child pornography as there are scenes which feature minors partially or completely nude. While I won't deny that there are perverts out there who find these scenes sexually arousing, a vast majority of the population do not, and most importantly it wasn't the writer's or film maker's intention to make them as such.

    As I haven't seen the illustrations in question I can't say for sure if they were full on H-Loli and/or H-Shota and thus more justified to be perceived as pornographic (though I still think they ought to spend more time and resources going after real paedophiles). I can't help but to get a sinking feeling that they might have just been nude illustrations to convey a sense of vulnerability or insecurity, which is common in Japanese media, but was viewed as pornographic by someone who associates all nudity with something erotic and was backed up by vague laws.
     
  9. Cal

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    Ha! An excellent point. The prosecution will have to come up with some sort of evidence that the girls illustrated in the books are legally underage in order to sustain a charge of child pornography. Without it, he has no case! I doubt that the artist issued birth certificates.

    I think it happened circa 1984. :rolleyes: 
     
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    I said it before, and I will say it again. The whole world has lost it's goddam mind.

    1- Rape monster drawing/porn is pretty twisted.
    2- Equating rape monster drawings/porn to child porn is ******ed.

    ******ation all around. This definitely requires the General Patten shake of the head followed by a face palm.
     
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    Here's the thing though. Some stuff if quite debatable how old the characters are supposed to be. And it's usually when said characters are teens. Other stuff there is no debate. It's a 10 year old boy having sex with his mother, and that what it's called BTW. Or a some kind of monster raping a 12 year old girl. I didn't want see these things, but I have. And what has been seen, etc. So I'd hardly call it ******ation.

    A fair of time if they're drawn looking like 10 yearolds, their teens in all probability. But really the only good measuring system for their age (based on my own experience) is how tall they are compared to an obvious authority figure. Who are almost always adults. Equal height=adult, 3/4th teen, half prepubescent.
     
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    What if said girl was really 18 years old, but physically appearing in the body of a 3 year old? Is that to be placed into the same boat as a pornstar who simply looks younger than she is? Not like I care enough about loliporn to actually debate this issue, but you know. More than meets the eye, type of deal.
     
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    The problem with that, is that these girls are not drawn to any scale or realistic proportions at all. No female has eyes over one third the size of her entire head. No girl has legs three times as long as her torso - those proportions are just not possible in real life. Therefore, it can't even be proved that these images are meant to be taken as accurate depictions of human females.

    It could be argued that even if these girls are depicted as being very short, there is nothing to say that the petiteness is not just another artistic technique used to convey vulnerability (as a PP stated with the nudity).

    If these were real photographs, I would be outraged, but they are drawings and drawings are only limited to the artist's imagination.

    I am very, very anti-child endangerment. I write letters demanding longer and harsher sentences for paedophiles, I wouldn't spit on a child abuser if he was on fire - in fact i'd pour gasoline over the bastard.

    I just don't think Sweden have it right, in this case. It's a waste of money that could be used to sniff out and arrest those sick bastards causing harm to real children. Pictures of REAL children exist.....and more child pornography is created every day and no-where in the world are we seeing even the slightest dent in stemming the tide. As far as paedophilia goes, our law enforcement are swimming upstream, and this type of ludicrous lawsuit is just making it that much harder.
     
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    *walks in, sees whats going on, walks back out*

    I'm not drunk enough to handle this.
     
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    He had hentai manga and he's suddenly a pedo?



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    It all depends on what kind of hentai manga. If it's stuff that involves prepubescent characters in explicitly sexual situations, then yes, he is a pedophile as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    LOL.. I was just going to post something very similar.
     
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    ...I'm going to go hide my Queen's Blade stuff.
     
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    LOL This writer is... something else.

    Just... no. Not remotely.

    Then he posts this picture-

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    And with the caption "Japanese manga cartoon are deemed to have a sexually graphic tone." (In case anyone doesn't see it, she is both clearly Chinese and not a "manga cartoon.")

    Then he just posts a picture of Kiddy Grade, which may be heavy on the fan-service at times, but doesn't delve any deeper into anything regarded as sexual content.

    Way to do your job, Richard Orange In Malmö. Report those facts.

    :rolleyes2 
     
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    I'm not surprised. He probably should move to Japan, where that creepy shit is more acceptable than it is in Sweden.
     

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