Lost Light #20- spoilers!

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  1. rlmiddleton

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    I couldn’t help but love this issue despite it’s flaws.
    Great action, loved how they tied in the Christmas special to the resolution (or this part of the overall resolution I mean).

    I didn’t like the Cyclonus/Star Sabre battle- over in two panels maybe? The amount of dross that could have been cut from earlier issues to give that more room.

    The Getaway fight and death was extremely well done although I found the whole focusing on him being eaten a bit too pornographic tbh. “Look here, he’s being eaten, this is the climax for everyone.” I dunno, on one level it was great he got his comeuppance on another the way it was done seemed vaguely...distasteful. And not in story terms- in authorial terms. Ie. In story it would have been that gruesome but it was more the choice to linger over it like that.

    Rodimus emerging from the flames in his proper colours was pretty fucking epic though right?

    That last panel threw me straight back to Time Wars. A vortex threatening to engulf a Quintesson-esque Planet. Except this time the vortex will spit out the Quints rather than destroy them, no? Maybe it’s a huge crossover event and the Marvel Quints are going to invade IDW from Time Wars through that vortex. Hahaha, only joking. I, uh, think.
     
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    I've been out of the game for a while, admittedly, but I do feel that one of the weakest aspects of some of the later MTMTE and LL comics art-wise was some of the fight scenes. They have great splash pages and panels you can ooh and ahh over for a minute, but the actual combat action?

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    So I'm not shocked that the Cyclonus/Star Saber fight, which on the basis of pure dramatic tension alone should have echoed some kind of beautiful Cowboy Bebop level choreography, was boiled down to two panels.
     
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    Can I get a summary?
     
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    About time... since there's not enough panels to do that.
     
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    Boy oh boy does the compression show here.

    Star Saber just dies. He just gets sliced in half and dies. Boy, what a badass he was, huh?

    Rodimus carries Getaway out of the fire to prove he's better than him... and then he dies five seconds later. What was the point?

    I have no idea where Froid or Sunder are and somehow I can't exactly bring myself to care.

    Also, personally the constant chatter has begun to grate on me, particularly in the page where Rodimus is dressing down Getaway. He had the time to prattle out an entire goddamn essay... somehow. I know the chatter was part of the appeal back in MTMTE's heyday, but back then everyone sounded different. Now they all sound exactly the same.

    I have no idea where this is going but I might as well continue to monitor this series' progress, if only for curiosity's sake.
     
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    I hate that getaway has become such a boring one dimensional villain. "Kill him."

    Scorpononk is taking orders from getaway? Really?

    Cyclonus vs star Sabre is two panels?

    ..... Sigh.
     
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    You most certainly can. Not as bad as last issue, not as good as the one two previous.

    Art was *awesome*. Coller is the best this book has had since Milne. I'm looking at at the second panel of page 16 as I am writing this sentence and whoo. You'll know when you see it but I loved it. One of my favorite panels of the issue.

    I noted again that there was no big retweeting of reviews of this issue again, probably for similar reasons. There was no "late hours Lost Light club" either from Roberts, presumably after last week, when one of the fan club melted down and tweeted JRo saying she was tired of the book, and tired of the continuity because... she hates the US government(?!?!?!)

    Important note: try not to read the iTunes preview blurb for this issue, which features an additional sentence in the solicitation I had never seen prior to today. Its presence does spoil at least one event (even if it might have been fairly obvious).

    Also: *no idea* what Roberts' clue of "28 II" is about unless it was referencing
    A fight in the basement, like the one Megatron and Whirl had.

    Skipping the pages already in the preview.

    To give you an idea of the compression involved here I'm even going to break this down page by page.

    8
    The red scraplets reform into a giant monster and grab Whirl...but they don't do anything.

    9
    Literally the next page - and only that page - is:
    Star Saber chases Cyclonus
    Star Saber is cut in half by Cyclonus
    Star Saber is dead

    That's the entire Star Saber/Cyclonus fight.

    10
    Rodimus is saved by Tyrest teleporting Scorponok away.
    Getaway drives away in fear once Rodimus says "buckle up, you son of a bitch". Not sure about this choice of lingo either to be honest. Similar to the whole "rubbish"...seems a bit un-Rodimus like, but whatever.
    Why Scorponok was taking orders from Getaway in the first place is not explained.

    11
    The telepaths start "speaking" the symbol of the crest of the Knights.
    Nautica recognizes it from when she asked Skids to sound it out phonetically.
    Rung mentions he's heard it a long time ago.
    The telepaths start a countdown instead.

    12
    Rodimus is jumped by Getaway.

    13
    Rodimus hits Getaway in the face.

    14
    Getaway has two unstable nucleon sticks, threatens Rodimus that things will blow up if he comes closer.
    Getaway says that when they got to Cyberutopia, Cyberutopia didn't know what to present them with.
    How they discovered that it was a medical euthanasia clinic is not explained.
    How they discovered it was a VR simulator is also not explained.
    Then Gateway says the Grand Architect showed up w/ his Worldsweepers.
    Getaway "reveals" that he doesn't know who the Grand Architect is.
    Getaway says that he told the Grand Architect he'd stop Rodimus if the Grand Architect "offered him a seat at the table".
    Why Star Saber aligned himself with the Grand Architect is not explained. Presumably Tyrest.
    Why Star Saber wasn't also turned into a sparkeater with the other Autobots is not explained.
    Why Getaway would work for the Grand Architect despite never seeing him is not explained.

    15
    Getaway says he allowed Scorponok to change the crew into sparkeaters.
    Getaway accuses Rodimus of not caring about his crew ("why are you here with me and not down there to save them?")

    How Scorponok was able to turn the crew into sparkeaters (considering that the only sparkeater previous to this was created by Brainstorm's gun) is not explained.
    How Scorponok managed to subdue an entire crew of Autobots to pull this off is also not explained.
    Most glaringly, where Sunder and Froid were/are during all of this is also not explained. Spoiler within a spoiler: they never show up in this issue.

    16
    Getaway is about to ram the nucleon sticks together when Cyclonus slices one of Getaway's arms off.
    Getaway tries to kill himself by jumping into the fire.
    Rodimus: "He really thought we were going to kill him"
    Cyclonus: "Weren't you?"

    17
    Rodimus goes after Getaway.

    18
    Rodimus carries an unconscious Getaway out of the fire.
    Most shocking revelation of the issue: Rodimus is secretly one of those "change color with temperature" Transformers. He's now back to his old color scheme after walking in the flames.

    19
    Rodimus and Cyclonus try to activate the sprinkler system (!?) to put out the fire.
    Getaway regains consciousness.
    Getaway is about to stab Cyclonus through the back, but a hand reaches out for him.
    It appears to be Primus.

    20
    "Primus" and Getaway shake hands.
    "Primus" turns out to be the red scraplets.
    Getaway is consumed. And this consumption is three panels worth and more than half the page.

    21
    Whirl reveals that the in the group of red scraplets are the ones he bonded with from the Christmas issue, which took control when they saw Whirl.
    Why the red scraplets knew to turn into Primus is not explained. Yes, Cyclonus and Rodimus theorize it could have something to do with Mederi but that makes basically no sense.
    Ratchet calls Rodimus. Tells him the psychics started a countdown. Asks him to look out the window.

    [Editorial: it seems clear to me that the red scraplets will end up having something to do with the inevitable conclusion of this arc.]

    22
    Full page splash of a tear in space, lightning and flames or whatever.

    Soooooo...this issue was not that great. Like I said, better than the previous one. IDW's artists must charge a higher rate than the company can afford to do actual fight scenes, because there was really quite a bit of talking here and not a lot of fighting. Note: try not to read the iTunes preview text for this issue, which features an additional sentence I had never seen prior to today, which does spoil at least one event (even if it might have been fairly obvious).

    I don't think it's a spoiler to say but I'll spoiler it anyway:
    The Ten question is not answered
    The "why did Ratchet turn gray and intangible" question is not answered
    The "how did Tailgate end up on Mederi and alive" question is not answered

    As well, we are now at 4 issues left and
    We still don't know the identity of the Grand Architect (this is starting to smell like we're not going to get enough page time for that resolution, so I'm assuming the mystery resolution might be an anticlimax)
    We have no idea how and why Tyrest aligned himself with the Grand Architect
    We still have no idea how Tyrest got himself free in the first place
    We still have no idea why the Magnificence has completely stopped working
    We also have no idea why no one either last issue *or* this issue has commented on the fact Nickel is *wearing* the Magnificence. Considering this was a super big deal to the Autobots for a while, you'd think at least one of them would casually mention it.

    That’s in addition to the 10 additional questions or just “lack of explanations” raised by this issue. I’m sure that there are more that I am missing.

    And given the whole "Why did Overlord want the Magnificence" thing is probably never getting explained (in your face, user who *guaranteed* to me 3 years ago that Roberts had a master plan regarding this...we're at the freaking *conclusion* and it's never gonna come up), I feel like that's either getting explained in a one-off panel info dump, or not going to get explained either.

    There are a lot of holes in the ship (the writing, not the Lost Light itself) and I'm not sure that they're all getting patched up in time for the finale. But at least, again, we're getting an ending. It might be pretty rushed (let's not kid ourselves...this is *stupid* rushed), but at least it's a conclusion.

    The art was pretty.
     
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  8. kmc

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    Maybe: there's also a fight near the fuel furnace in MTMTE 28?

    5 issues left, actually. And we have far more than enough space to deal with all the dangling plots if we go like this. Sure why not? JR told us there will be a new group of "Alphatron" created in these remaining issues!
     
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    About half a year ago, I sold off my MP Star Saber, who I'd only picked up due to the character's initial MTMTE appearances.

    I am continuing to not regret that decision.

    The compression and forced wrap-up is really, really showing. Ouch.

    That aside, though, it was a fitting and captivating end to the Rodimus/Getaway arc. I don't mind lingering over his death. It was well-earned.
     
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    Ha, yeah, you're right - we'll likely get a prose page at the end of 25 answering the remaining questions. ;)  Although honestly I'm about 50/50 on whether

    We're going to end up with a resolution like
    "but who was the Grand Architect?"
    "Does it really matter now? We've saved the universe!"

    sort of Nuklear Power-esque anti-climax =)

    And I agree - 28 II it was probably the fight near the fuel furnace deal. Can't think of anything else.
     
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    Some begging and screaming from Getaway as he was being eaten alive would have been nice, I'm also disappointed we didn't get to see him break down after learning Cyberutopia was a complete lie.

    Also Froid and Sunder are still lurking about, wonder if they'll just be forgotten.
     
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    Better. In fact, really good Rodimus issue. I think every scene he was in, and every decision he made was gold. A good way to show how he's finally developed after it all.

    Star Saber's death was terrible if that's what it is. I almost expect him to have survived as a smaller inner robot, but if it's the result of a wrap up. Egh.

    Otherwise pretty alright issue. Dialogue still feels forced, and the magic sparkeater cure is bleh. But you know, I think that's just something about this comic that's just not going to go away.

    I agree with OP on Getaway's death being lingered upon kind of taking you out of it.
     
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    You know who's death was also well earned? Megatron's. It doesn't at all surprise me that they'd choose to fellate themselves over Getaways death, rather than allow Rodimus' growing to actually mean anything and allow Getaway to be more than the laughably over the top 2D villain they made him into, it's like you can hear Roberts' train of thought. "Here, we'll have Rodimus finally grow up a bit as the series is about to end, but we'll also include Getaway's graphic death to appease the people who hate this fictional character and wanna see him violently maimed."

    What a joke. Star Saber posing no threat, increasingly large holes in the plot, annoying """""witty"""" characters who all act the same without any diversity, so many problems. Just put this thing out of its misery already.
     
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    I actually did a fistpump when Rodimus emerged from the flames in his original colours. Such a cool moment!
     
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    Meanwhile over in Optimus Prime #20
    Arcee says “I stayed away from the Lost Light to avoid wordplay”. Ouch!
     
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    Also, confused as to why Brainstorm doesn’t appear damaged here? Wasn’t he kind of melted on one side?
     
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    As much as I enjoyed the last issue, this issue was less than stellar. The pacing felt really frantic. You can tell Roberts is trying to squeeze everything into these final issues, and it's really showing. The issue wasn't bad but it wasn't all that great. Shame.
     
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    Hmmm... this is still not showing up on Comixology for me... and its now 10.00am in the UK.. really want to keep up!
     
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    Amazon.co.uk is your friend. And you can consolidate with your ComiXology library.
     
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    Overall I think this was a better issue than the last one, as it seems the 'in case of emergency' button has been pressed last issue and we can now continue our regular program. But as people have already mentioned: still some painful pacing issues. Time is wasted on the scraplets while Star Saber is literally taken out within seconds (really? After all he's done?). Even if this is not his end, that fight was pretty damn weak. Rodimus being able to deliver an entire speech while being pummeled around by Scorponok (although, ok, Scorponok is just toying around)...MTMTE/LL has definitely been suffering from the two page loss, and even more whenever it tries to tie up everything into a big season finale.

    However, I disagree with whoever said Getaway's death was glorified (and Rodimus saving him meaningless). This was the strongest part for me: Rodimus' intent ever since the mutiny was to kill Getaway. He's been very clear about this, even going as far as painting his chassis. The fact that he goes in to save him - symbolically shedding that paintjob, was great in my opinion. Getaway getting up afterwards and STILL trying to kill Rod and Cyclonus shows that he's unredeemable. He gets saved by someone with genuine signs of Matrix/Prime affinity, with the possibility to redeem himself in the future - and instead he spits it in the face. This to me makes the over the top scraplets death justified in its dragged out portrayal.

    Art was better this time around, which I'm happy with.

    The first one is definitely not solved.
    The second one, although unfortunate, can simply be answered with 'Ratchet picked up a space disease'. Unsatisfying maybe, but I think that's the extent of things. The ship shrinking and Ratchet dying was the catalyst of Ten guiding them to Mederi.

    The last one is totally solved, however. We were to believe Tailgate had died in the room on Necroworld, with only scorchmarks left (leaving Fort Max and Rodimus to assume he exploded or disintegrated). After the Mederi arc we now know that's how Mederi teleports people around - it leaves scorchmarks. Cyclonus thought he was in the Afterspark and his biggest wish was to see Tailgate. Since he was not actually dead, the planet teleported him there. :) 

    edit: fixed some grammar errors.
     
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