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  1. jorod74

    jorod74 Psycholagnist (Ret.)

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    seamen?

    it ain't a submarine anymore, folks.
    the navy has started the process to allow women on board.

    Navy to allow women to serve on submarines | NBC13.com

    i am all for the ladies getting their flippers wet.
    the obvious problems of separate quarters and showers, though, will make life interesting.

    there's women in the world right now that have more balls than some guys i know, so let the women have the submarine assignments.

    Just don't let them drive, lol.
     
  2. Hiraga

    Hiraga BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL

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    Wait, they weren't allowed before? Jesus, it took us this long to realize women can operate subs...
     
  3. MrByatis

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    I always assumed women already served on submarines in the navy
     
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    wow, I just assummed they were allowed as well
     
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    Submarines stayed separate for a few reasons.

    The latest was due to the 'ol equal but separate deal. Hard to have men's and women's rooms when you have a tiny amount of space.
     
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    Well....my uncle served on a submarine, I remember hearing because of that, the regulations were a little less strict. As in, they could have facial hair, and what not.

    Also, the food on a submarine is better then any other ship in the fleet. Reason being, if you are confined to such a small space, they got to try and make it as easy as possible.

    That, and uhhh..... you know, the confined spaces, below water for days on end.....you might get a little crazy, and maybe a little horny.
     
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    Interesting. I personally didn't know about women not being aloud on submarines till the one episode of NCIS where Gibbs insists Kate assists him on the submarine. Would make sense, to me at least, to train enough women so that the entire crew of a submarine could be women.
     
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    This is the exact reason for why it has been men only for so long on submarines, heck for a long time it was only Carriers women were allowed to serve aboard most due to the abunadanceof space available to make quarters and facilities for the female crew members.
     
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    Thats just great, whats next!? Letting women vote!?


    Jk


    But seriously, that fact that there are still things that women aren't allowed to do is... well... umm... uhhh... well, I cant seem to find the right word im looking for so lets just say, Really really stupid!!
     
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    Wow, I just always assumed this was the case.

    Weird.
     
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    "wives of submariners have warned that close contact between the sexes at sea could lead to temptation and allegations of sexual harassment."

    ^THIS.
     
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    Sounds like an interesting porno.
     
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    Sounds like those wives have husbands whose whole navy career thing was giant conspiracy to cheat on them.
    :rolleyes2 
     
  14. Aernaroth

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    I wonder if they'll use Australia's navy as a model, since they're one of the few nations that allows women to serve on submarines already.
     
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    All y'all that think prohibiting women from serving on subs had anything to do with a perceived weakness of their gender are way off.

    There's a reality--the close quarters and nature of submarine life and work cause plenty of friction without the introduction of sex into the mix. I honestly believe this will cause problems without any clear benefit beyond a perception of "fairness" that I don't feel is worth terribly much.
     
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    I can see the headlines accusing shipmates of rape. This won't end well.
     
  17. jorod74

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    the whole women in combat or in certain assignments has just been a really rough road here in the U.S.
    it was a case of a step forward, then a setback.
    like the first attempts at putting women in F-14s. put one in, and then she dies in a tragic carrier landing accident and the naval brass who didn't want them anyway used that to push the issue back to a non priority.

    Same as the Tuskegee Airmen- no one thought a man of color had the intellect or skill to pilot plane and so actively sought failutes to prove it.

    thank heavens, naysayers got schooled and it still happens (the schooling) today. Women are coming around. i am old fashioned in not really enjoying the image of a 24 year old mom of 3 slinging a rifle, but it's her choice.
    as long as we give the women a shot- a fair,reasonable shot- let them try and let em do what they want.
     
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    Respectfully, you don't know shit about women in combat roles.

    The Tuskegee Airmen were an example of the military giving African-Americans a shot years before most of America would even consider it. The Army was a trailblazer there in overcoming prejudice.

    Far as the "schooling of naysayers," heads up, dude. Women are different. Their anatomy is different--for example, women are far more likely to have issues with their hips than men. Shockingly, this becomes an issues in line units where walking for 20 miles with 60 pound rucks is part of the job. Their hormones are different--less testosterone. That affects muscles mass and aggression.

    But most importantly, it's not even really about the women. It's about the men. Combat environments have unique challenges that you simply can't understand until you've experienced them. Placing women into those situations--with all the physical proximity and heightened emotions they entail--creates problems. And it does so without any clear benefit to offset the cost.

    Do some women disagree and want to serve? Of course. Do I sympathize with them? Sure. It sucks to be told you can't do something through no fault of you own. Do I care? Absolutely not. "Giving them a fair shot" is absurd. It's the military. It's war. You have to utilize every advantage you have and minimize all possible disadvantages, and that includes eliminating females from line units.

    Pilots I don't care about one way or the other. I've read female's spatial awareness is an advantage, but their ability to tolerate physical stresses of flight isn't as good as men.
     
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    new pick up line

    "Ever made love 20,000 leagues under the sea? no? would you like to?"
     
  20. Aernaroth

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    Are there any branches/divisions/units/whatever of the military, US or other, that people are aware of that have successfully transitioned to fully co-ed facilities? I could imagine such a thing being pretty helpful to ease up on space restrictions on a sub, especially given that at best, female sailors are going to represent only a fraction of the crew.

    What about all-female units? Has that ever been tried anywhere?
     

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