Let's count on how many time DoTM shits on the original TFer plots/characters

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  1. Alucard77

    Alucard77 Kaon Gladiator Champion

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    So let's just do a small list of craptastical parts where DoTM shits on any character development that came in any TF continuity.

    1- Megatron is a little bitch that takes a side roll to be pushed around like starscream.

    2- Starscream being a little lacky who did not take advantage of Megatrons weakness for his own gain.

    3- Humans killing TFers, yay. I know that firepower varies from scene to scene in the cartoons and stuff, but I guess I would have to take a leap of faith that the Autobots helped the Humans make weapons that hurt TFers.

    4- Optimus is willing to let multiple cities and people be destroyed to show humanity that Decepticons are bad.

    I am sure there could be millions more items here.
     
  2. Aernaroth

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    Who cares if its different from the original TF series? That's the point. You might as well bitch about how Grimlock in Animated wasn't built by Ratchet and Wheeljack.

    I agree with you in terms of the characterization differences being lamentable, though, not because they're different from G1, but because they're so shallow and inconsistent, even by comparison.

    I was totally down with the humans being able to kill TFs though, I can't think of a reason why they shouldn't be able to through sheer numbers and persistence, even if they're at a massive disadvantage. There probably was some cybertronian tech at play (and we see a few gadgets from Quejack), but to a large degree, weapons that are designed to take down tanks should conceivably do damage to cybertronians.

    Let's try and play devil's advocate though, try honestly to pair something you liked that the movie changed in the original series with something you felt was an inferior attempt at.
     
  3. Alucard77

    Alucard77 Kaon Gladiator Champion

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    Well, I did think the action sequences were good. Like if this was some other movie with Alient robots, I would have chose to ignore the annoying stuff and go with it.

    The fact it had TFers on it annoys me though. Not sure what from these movies I woudn't mind if it got introduced into the normal continuity. That is a hard one. I would have to think long and hard on that one. Not sure I can think of one item.

    That is why I rather this be a robotic movie not assocaited to TFers.
     
  4. Wheeljack_Prime

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    Wow, you TOTALLY missed the point for this one. They didn't fake their deaths simply to show humanity that the cons are bad. They faked their deaths because the cons demanded that the bots leave or they pretty much engage in their own version of Sherman's March to the Sea. They went along with it so the cons would make their next move so Prime and co could act appropriately.
     
  5. Cyber Star

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    Whiny Geewunner is whiny.
     
  6. Yaujta

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    So, how many threads are you going to start just to bitch about the movie?
    Yeah, you didn't like it. I think we get that by now. It wasn't the greatest series to ever grace the big screen, but some of us kind of appreciated it.

    There should seriously be a smiley for 'IT'S NOT GEEWUN!!!'
     
  7. Alucard77

    Alucard77 Kaon Gladiator Champion

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    Right, and in the process letting multiple cities perish. Good strategic move there.
     
  8. Buzzwave

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    We all shall cherish and enjoy the SPLOSIONS AND ROBOGORE <3 <3
     
  9. Aernaroth

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    I thought the first movie did the relationship between Sam/Bumblebee way better than the original cartoon's relationship between Bumblebee and Spike. It managed to really show the heart Bumblebee's character has always been about, and Sam as an active and believable participant in the battle between the cybertronians, whereas the original series pretty much relegated them to the sidelines except when the Autobots needed to know something about human culture, with Bumblebee assigned to babysit Spike (as he was nearly useless for anything else).

    "Autobots, transform and roll out... Not you Bumbelbee..."


    And then in the 2nd and 3rd movies it instead becomes Sam Witwicky, slacker hero who holds the key to the fate of two races with half a dozen plot macguffins, with Bumbelbee in the background except to show up and rip apart some Decepticons every once in a while.

    Can't say I was happy about that.
     
  10. Ephland

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    Dude, you completely weren't paying attention. I mean it's shocking how little of this movie you actually caught.
     
  11. Alucard77

    Alucard77 Kaon Gladiator Champion

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    My favorite part in the first movie is how Optimus was like, "Hide Autobots". Then they went to try to hide themselves behind trees and shrubs and shit. Instead of going into the damn street and transforming into cars. Gotta love the masterful direction and creative comic relief in these films.
     
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    Please enlighten me further what I missed in this brilliant brain twister that matches movies like Pi, Donnie Darko, Memento and Primer in it's complexity.
     
  13. Chris McFeely

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    Let's not and say we did.
     
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    Which is exactly what they did first, only to have Sam realize it made the place look like a truck stop and tell them to stop.
     
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    I think Starscream was vastly underutilized throughout the entire trilogy.

    The problem for Starscream was so many other things were going on, there just wasn't available time to give him his own subplot. All we really know about him is that he's competent warrior (I really enjoyed Ironhide's shouted warning of "IT'S STARSCREAM" from the first movie) and that he is Megatron's yes-man. As it was, I think his final scene where he was chasing down Sam and Carly was as close to vintage Starscream as it got.
     
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    Cities were going to get trashed either way. What, pray tell, would you have done?
     
  17. Sso02V

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    You had Michael Bay's entire film history to let you know what you were in for and you still saw the movies. You kinda forfeited your right to complain that things in a Michael Bay movie were like things in a Michael Bay movie.
     
  18. Alucard77

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    I am stating that this falls out of realm what autobots usually do in any continuum. They try to save humans at almost any cost, even sacrificing themselves.

    And if you are talking about what I would have done differently, I would have written the whole movie differently, but that is a whole nother story all together.

    I would like to know though, how does making the autobots be out of the way make it any different to the end result of the movie. Besides Optimus showing up, in the oh shit, no shit moment of the movie. (Oh shit for people who actually thought he was dead, no shit for people who know better.) What magical strategic advantage was shown in the movie by the Autobots appearing? What strategical item was taken out by the surpise attack?

    It was like they showed up and the decepticons knew they were there. They did not accomplish anything but save Sam. Yay! Great writing using a possible good item to create plot movement gone to waste.

    Very good point. Even though even Michael Bay has made good movies in the past with actual plots and good writing. But trust me, I didn't expect this to be good.
     
  19. UltraMagnus2008

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    They hit Chicago thats it...the launching of the pillars was a covert op. Prime had to trick Sentinel into thinking the bots were dead so he would make his move. DC got thrashed but the bots were overwhelmed there.
     
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    With the Decepticons all over the world, the Autobots had no idea where their center of operations was going to be. By faking their deaths, they were able to see where the Decepticons were marshaling their troops for the next phase of their plan.
     

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