JoeCon 2011 TF Notes

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  1. Monzo

    Monzo Weirdest Fan Experience

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    So, being local to Florida, I went as a walkin to JoeCon 2011 on Saturday and Sunday. It was a different experience from BotCon, but very fun overall. There was some big news relating to Transformers history at the event, and these are my impressions of it.

    First, of course, was the Cobra Commander/Starscream Skystriker on display. I took a bunch of photos of the box callouts, but I assume pics of that have gone up already. No, the real big news came on the Sunday panel hosted by TF/G.I Joe IP development manager Rik Alvarez, G.I. Joe design manager John Warden, and... a third fellow who had worked on the G. I. Joe brand on the '90s who has recently come back onto the team. David Kunitz, perhaps?

    The panel, "Treasures from the Hasbro Archives", served something of a dual focus: it both showcased the process of creative development on the '80s G.I. Joe toyline (with photos of two-ups, unpainted first shot/test shot figures, costing and design models, etc), and featured products that never came to fruition.

    The first of these items shown is, to me, the more significant. About a month ago, Rik apparently found a box in the Hasbro archives containing an assortment of artwork, concept boards, and proposals for what "could have been" in a series of Transformers/G.I. Joe crossovers.

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    Dun dun DUN...!

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    According to Rik, these are parts of an Omega Supreme that were redecoed and intended for release in the G.I. Joe toyline. In what manner, as a character or parts of a non-living vehicle, he didn't say; the phrasing of his following statement, where he was going to look into "an actual crossover between the G.I. Joe and Transformer toylines", makes the Joemega Supreme situation seem a bit nebulous. Still, it's astonishing to think of what might have been!

    The other significant TF/Joe news - which I know Toy News International has already reported, but I haven't actually looked at their coverage - was of a much more recent variety. There were plans for an arctic Rise of Cobra Baroness figure that would have come with a robot panther companion - "maybe Ravage, maybe not" said Rik, but John Warden consistently denied that it was going to be Ravage. In any case, the use of Ravage design cues was intentional, though Rik sadly noted that the G1 weapons did not work with it.

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    They did not actually show any pictures of the Arctic Baroness, with the robot panther being photoed next to a test shot of Dial-Tone that Rik used for scale representation in every picture he took. Neither the Baroness or the robot panther were tooled, with the panther in the photo being the only one in existence.

    I'll see if I have any more specific notes on the robot panther later, and will also check my pictures of the Cobra Commander/Starscream Skystriker box.

    Yoooooo 'bot!
     
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  2. RageTreb

    RageTreb Well-Known Member

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    JUST as I was starting to get in Joes, my FAVORITE character (Baroness) might have had a release that I would have LOVED.

    Oh well. Did he say why it was canceled?
     
  3. Fit For natalie

    Fit For natalie tfwiki nerd

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    Hasbro seems to want to avoid mixing the two brands together, I presume for some sort of marketing reason. As a fan of both lines, I'd think the problem is Transformers would overwhelm GI Joe (especially nowadays) as a toy concept to such an extent that it might as well just be Transformers toys.

    Instead of being 3'3/4" soldiers with accompanying vehicles (or vice versa) with a play pattern based around the soldier figures, you would have scene-stealing (for a lack of a better term) transforming vehicle robots with little drivers, and the play pattern would be based around the robots, not the soldiers.
     
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    A part of me is happy ther Ravage set didnt happen as I really dont enjoy non-transforming toys but if she were packed with the Classics ravage.... I would have been all over that.

    As for the OS repaint... honestly if it were in military greens I could see it being a case of being a repaint with no links past mold.

    saying that a TF/Joe line needs to happen and looking at that ravage POC I'm even more sure that the HA snowmobile can fit a regular sized joe (seeing at the figure you get looks way to small)
     
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    As a fan of both toys I would LOVE to see a crossover series done somehow, even if it is for a little bit. Hasbro has done this a few times before as easter eggs, but I think it'd be great to throw in an actual sub line now. I know there's that Energon Snowcat which is supposed to be a GI Joe Snowcat, and Tomahawk is a GI Joe Sigma Six Tomahawk attack heli, and Terradive is supposed to be a Sigma Six styled Conquest X-30 jet. Now there is Laserbeak from DOTM as a Sigma Six Dragonhawk VTOL...and then there's the SDCC '11 Skystriker as Starscream with Cobra Commander and a Megatron in pistol form accessory!

    I think the easiest way to do it is a GI Joe/Transformers Crossovers line ala Star Wars/Marvel Transformers. I know that there isn't a lot of love for the Star Wars/Marvel crossovers series, but I think it'd be a great compromise. I know I'd eat up a GI Joe Transformers crossovers line without hesitation.
     
  6. grayman

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    I would buy one of each mold, if they made a G.I. Joe Transformers Crossover line.
     
  7. Blitz.

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    that would actually really suck (for me and many others at least) the whole motivation behind a lot of fans is that they want to see their heroes come together they don't really want to see a snow cat repaint with a viper head stuck on top.

    Really all that needs to be done is just pack a few bike/small vehicle TF's with the joe toys and job done and I'd gladly lay down £14 for them
     
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    Except if they did them, they'd be stuff like Cobra Commander turning into a jet, or destro into a hisstank, or duke into an armadillo. Personally, I want SerpentO.R. that transforms into serpentor's chariot. Or maybe a cobra commander that turns into a throne. But otherwise I'd skip the figures as the crossover theme is setup now. Ashiko with bike armor is close enough for me. Now if they do more intermingled designs like that where a figure can pilot or use said robot like I mentioned with serpentO.R. and a throne CC. I'd be all over it. These would have been fun to see in the lines though. T_T Hope they consider it again later with a CC with megatron gun, or Destro with WST soundwave or universe 2.0 ravage.
     
  9. Lt. Faceless

    Lt. Faceless I'm a puppet

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    I agree on all points.Thats the main reason i hate those Starwars/marvel transformers.I want a X-wing that turns into starscream,not Luke.The small vehicles is the best bet.I use TFA Oilslick as a Dreadnok bike,i love adding Transformers to my joes.I also think the price would kill this line,a transforming HISS i could see easy being $30.Transformer fans would pay it,but joe fans would have a breakdown.
     
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    I want that ravage, I'd have probably bought both of these.
     
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    Batman The Dark Knight TFW2005 Supporter

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    That is really cool. Thanks for the info. :) 
     
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    I wanted to go to this I only live two hours away but was broke..I did get to hit Botcon there last year when it was in the same place


    I can see Ravage and the Baroness and still think they shoukd do this set in the future but what is up with Omega Supreme being there?
     
  13. Grimwing

    Grimwing Scientist Supreme

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    Was Omega Supreme supposed to be the Joes Ultimate version of a PAC RAT?

    YOJOE.COM | Missile Launcher [PAC/RAT]

    All you would need to add in with him is some kind of Control outpost like the Surveillance port playset. I guess just Mainframe with a control terminal would work.

    Would be awsome to see Omega Supreme detailed with the infamously detailed classic GIJOE vehicle stickers. Especially the red white and blue stripes.

    The ravage is amazing. I think I even see cassete spools in the torso?! Sounds like we could have had that if Rise of cobra baroness was'nt such a pegwarmer. It could possibly still see release, as hasbro tries to recover as many of their rise of cobra molds for the current lines.
     
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    I wish they would do crossovers. I love joes but I'm a little out of touch with them. I wouldn't know where to start. Something like this would've been a great introduction for me of done today.
     
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    not crazy about non transfromers but i as joe & transfan would be intersting to see this hapen which joe gets who as partner
     
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    Ruination04 8 Years Old Since 1984!

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    Man that sho is an uuuuugly Baroness.....LOL
     
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    ORIO Plant-Based Bot Super Mod News Staff

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    "joemega Supreme" :lol 

    Awesome info! Thanks for sharing!
     
  18. Grimwing

    Grimwing Scientist Supreme

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    I used to be the same way. my friends played with them a lot as the kid. They had the defiant shuttle base and tubs of figures.
    A few years ago when the 25th anniversary GIJOES brought some vehicles back, I decided to take it on as a subordinate line to occupy me while Transformers were in a drought. Started with a VAMP and Arctic Snake Eyes.

    80s GIJOE set the groundwork for the mass character rosters, and waring factions that Transformers would be built from. With many of the same people working on those Hasbro products and storylines.

    Joes seemlessly fit into my Transformers Collection Room. No fan canon problem.

    It seems Hasbro is avoiding the GIJOE Transformers Crossovers, my theory is that they want to do something with the M.A.S.K. brand, perhaps as a Movie.
     
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  19. Ash from Carolina

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    A crossover between GI Joe and Transformers seems like a perfect fit, and yet it's the one crossover that Hasbro will not do. Instead of a Ratter that transforms into Thundercracker or Skywarp, we'd end up with things like the GI Joe mech like in the Star Wars crossover line.

    Heck Cobra already uses some Decepticon colors.

    I'm not even sure if Joe being a "war" toy is even a valid excuse anymore since the Dark of the Moon toy line looks like it's going to have some little soldiers with some of the releases.
     
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    see for me M.A.S.K. is the perfect middle ground between the joes and TF's

    I recall something on the back of the Matt Trakker 25th toy saying that M.A.S.K. was basically a specialist vehicle unit under the Joes and for me that could be a result of TF tech. (hell stealth force is one drivers seat away from being mask 2.0)

    As for a M.A.S.K. movie I honestly think the series is dead as I don't recall M.A.S.K. ever being as popular as the joes or TF's and maybe for now its better that it lives on under the Joe line.
     

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