Jizaitoys to make Ironhide/Ratchet next?

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  1. airfox

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    Another thing to keep in mind is that while these are great figures, they're not great toys.

    Universe Classics will be great toys, because they're designed as such, even if they fail at being exact G1 homages. (which I guess was never the intention ... at least with Powerglide and NotOctane)

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    I think it's worth pointing out though, that Jizai Octane is not finished yet. If that figure tightens up in the final stages as much as Jizai Powerglide did, I would say that it will EASILY be better than the upcoming Hasbro Tankor, in ALL modes.

    Wheelie's alt mode isn't seamless... but it's still pretty freakin' great! Compare his design and execution to pretty much ANY scout class figure we've gotten in the last few lines (or ever!), and he comes out on top. That's pretty impressive for a non-official product!

    I'm not saying that these figures wouldn't benefit from some of the changes that could be made to them to permit mass production and release. I'm just saying that the fundamental designs are nigh-flawless... if these were introduced with some production tweaks as Deluxes in the Classics Universe line, I don't think anyone would be complaining that they're "not good toys"... not the kids, and not us. :) 

    Not to mention that at $10 instead of $100, there would be a lot less to complain about in these figures. ;) 

    I don't subscribe to the belief that HasTak is infallible, or possessing infinite toy-design wisdom. I'm looking forward to Universe Powerglide and to a lesser extent, Universe Tankor, because they look like good toys. But I think these Jizai designs are as good as anything Hasbro has offered up, and could yield figures that are both great toys and great G1 homages.

    These two ideas are NOT arbitrarily mutually exclusive, as you seem to be implying. :) 

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    Everyone's a bit right, especially ZMOG and FFNat.

    Hasbro make a line that's supposed to imagine 'what if we started G1 over again today?'* And sell that to a mass-market of people who play with toys.

    Hence, I get a Mirage, Skywarp, and Powerglide that I will love.

    Jizai makes occassional transforming ornament kits based on what G1 fans have only previously fantasised about. And that sells to a niche market of people who can pay a lot, and have a lot of build-and-paint patience.

    Hence, there is a Cyclonus, Wheelie, and Powerglide that I can only ever dream of.

    These are both good things.

    Other plastic porn I would like to see Jizai knock-up for me? Huffer, Brawn, some Combaticons, maybe an Arielbot, Apeface, Punch-CounterPunch...

    *Apparently, that means "Of course the A-10 Warthog has to be Ultra class, dude. But the cargo plane's a deluxe fo shizz, otherwise it'll look stupid next to the tiny purple tank."
     
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    very perfect, but not officially release! Come on Hasbro Takara, take over this!
     
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    Luvin' the Robo-Frog Feme-bot! ..... I wonder if she could still accuse me of staring at her rack?
     
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    I agree completely.

    Not what I was implying. I was just pointing out something specific about these kits and how do they "measure up" to Hasbro's toys. I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but as a kit, produced with a different target in mind, they're not "good" toys.

    I agree on your point that these are great designs that can be turned into Hasbro/Takara quality product, though.

    I haven't handled any of Jizai Toys products to know for sure, of course, but I'm guessing they feel like Studio Halfeye's transformable Shin Getter, which is a great transforming/combining figure based on a animation model that cheats a lot. I'd say is a technological marvel ... but as a high end product is somewhat flimsy. That piece wouldn't work as a toy ... it would crumble in kids' hands. :p 

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    It should be pointed out that his stuff is often just way too complex and costly at the price points Hasbro would sell them at. They would need to be considerably simplified to work as mass-produced toys, and to comply with safety standards of both Hasbro and TakaraTomy, which likely means eliminating much of the 'detail' transformation which he uses to make the designs more more cartoon-authentic.

    I think somebody here owns Jizai's Cyclonus. I recall him saying it kept falling apart.
     
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    A minor update. Jizaitoys has posted a new sketch of Ironhide. It's anyone's guess at this point how it will transform, but it's a fair bet that Jizaitoys will enable Ironhide to resemble his 1984 counterpart, just as Wheelie and Powerglide did theirs.
     
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    Yes, although my design from a couple of years ago might fit a collectible model kit slightly better than a deluxe children's toy...

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    We need a Masterpiece Ironhide. Who could then be repainted/remolded as Masterpiece Ratchet.
     
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    Wow... that's awesome! You really worked it ALL out! :) 

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    I want to throw in my two cents.

    For those asking about the plastic, it is a durable hard pvc. For those saying the transformation is too complex, at least the wheelie figure is much simpler than say Slugslinger from a couple years back. (I can't remember if he was released under Energon or Cybertron, still can't keep him together in either mode.) As someone posted earlier, they are different target markets, and would have to be designed accomodating that. The problem lies in the fact that they aren't playtoys, and wouldn't pass the safety regulations we have to be mass produced and imported. (Easy break points and small parts kids can swallow.) If the sizes changed that would be a different question. As for the copyright issue, I say hurray to them for working with Tomy and coming up with marketable legitimate designs. That is a step in the door and a step in the right direction, even though we won't likely see mass production. At least we get to see these awesome designs realized in full tangible being and shared with the community. They could have tried to shut Jizaitoys down if they wanted to, and we never would have known the possibilities of G1 accurate models to this extent. Most likely it was them who inspired the classics designs for Powerglide and Octane coming up.
     
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    *pokes the comments on Jizai's latest update*

    So this isn't a scratchbuild - just a modified G1 Ironhide?

    . . .

    *waits anxiously for more photos*
     
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    I think what he means is that he uses Encore Ironhide as a general reference (it's obvious in the sketch, for the vehicle mode and the turret thing) but is still making a scrathbuild (since for example the legs mechanism sketched is quite different)
     
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    Huh. . . Yeah, reading it again, that makes a lot more sense. ^^;
     

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