Is the population of Mission City kinda dense?

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  1. Nevermore

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    First there's a worldwide communication breakdown due to a computer virus, then the army starts moving into their city and prepares for battle, and then some giant robots duke it out in the middle of the city, with explosions and shockwaves hardly being perceived only locally, and yet the people seem to be carrying on with their everyday lifes until LITERALLY a robot comes stomping down right next to them.
     
  2. KA

    KA PENIS GOES WHERE?!!

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    theyre call plot holes. its a michael bay movie.
     
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    It didn't have to make sense. Do giant robots coming to earth make sense? Does a cube that bring stuff to life make sense? Does Shia Lebouf hooking up with Megan Fox make sense?
     
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    I think the problem was, when the military showed up with all the fancy cars, everyone stopped to look there, then, when a jet comes flying around buildings, everyone in the city stops to look. The only time they freaked out was when Ironhide transformed. Ironhide's big, but not big enough that the whole city can see him. And when the explosion happened, well, everybody wants to see what happened. Just typical humans not knowing any better.
     
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    your confusing the logical and plot holes there sonny.

    giant robots coming to earth is a premise wherein suspension of disbelief is required.

    a plot hole is a convenient set of circumstances deliberately overlooked for the sake of 'better' film-making.
     
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    Right, like the fact that days pass in minutes in Michael Bay films. :lol 
     
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    I wasn't talking to you, pops. ;) 
     
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    Plothole, one of the single most overused and misused words on the internet...
     
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    Not only are they stupid, their news is incompetent. News crews, within a few minutes, should have been there reporting on it. And don't give me the shit that "nobody would believe them", because I'm sure anyone who could would have reported it, people further away would have heard the explosions, and only a complete moron would not notice military jets flying around. Even if the news didn't believe the robot story, they'd certainly have at least looked into the explosions in the downtown area.
     
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    If Optimus Prime came to earth and started walking around in your city wouldn't you want to watch? Its not every day an alien robot comes to visit.
     
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    technically you werent talking to anyone lol you were posting in a forum where anyone can comment on whats being said.... like now :D . Movie rocked, it wasnt perfect, but nothing EVER is if its made by humans, contains humans, or has anything to do with humans it will always have flaws because humans are flawed... If you believe in that sort of thing, God should have made Transformers because God is infallable (sp) and therefor incapable of making Transformers anything less than perfect. SO perhaps we should be saying 'GOD for director of Transformers 2!' if we dont want any continuity errors.
     
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    Nope, I'd rather ask "How the hell would they report it if communications were down?"
     
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    News blackout for one. Covert military actions, and who could call the news crew anyway if they weren't already on the scene? As it was, they had to use morse code, and short wave radios, I don't think news crews really would have had those on, nor probably thought any more of it than just a story on the phone company etc.

    If you're out and shopping, do you really think you'd notice your phone wasn't working right away? Most don't notice till they go to use the phone. And even then just assume towers are wonky for some reason. And if you live near a military base, or place with high volume of air traffic, you don't think much of planes and military vehicles unless warranted. (Big explosions are warranted xD, but at the same time, many of the city vehicles were empty. Potentially evacuated after starscream attacked the semi truck.) As for the explosions, well they are near hoover dam, and the one building the military used for cover looked half torn down pre fight already, maybe it was set for demolition soon so people just assumed it may have gone off earlier than planned, among many other rationalizations you can make due to city life and caring till your affected, like the girl who thought ironhide might squish her.

    Now once it all went down sure, but at that point, it's more get the hell out of the way. Or they could have had other ways to redirect news outlets, etc. Not to mention the allspark creations may have already scared a ton out of the way, cept the few still instores.

    Also the biggest miss, this isn't mission city. This is the city they passed through on the way to mission city (the helicopters trying to pick sam up, would have taken him to mission city, which is the covert name for the city with a military base there).

    Minutes to days, is pretty obvious to why, but the majority of the film takes place over a weekend, approximately thurs-sunday or so (Blackout's opening scene starting at dusk on thurs, and the big city brawl, being a sunday, when many are at church anyway). But movie fastforwarding like that, isn't just a bay trait.
     
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    There really weren't many plot holes, except for the disappearance of Barricade and unexplained recovery of Bumblebee's voice. You're confusing plot holes with outright stupidity, which actually looks pretty good in movies. Outright stupidity would be the changing amount of highway lanes, several dress mistakes, and a few lines.
     
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    uuuh isn't that the way it was in the cartoon??

    That is staying true to the original. After a battle in an episode of TF, everything goes back to normal as if it never happened. Its not a plot hole, this is what fans asked for, literally and thats what they got.
     
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    But this is not "AFTER a battle", it's "in the MIDDLE of it".
     
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    Yes! Thank you, Deadend. I love the way you just bring in rational to every thread you enter, its amazing. Flattery aside, you've got point. Its has alway been a fact, that human curiosity will override their fight or flight response before their lives are in immediate danger, I.E., when its seconds/moments away from them. I don't think the population was dense in Mission City. If you live in a city, then you'll know that while most streets are crowded, others are less populated.

    Besides, did not you not see those people heading for the hills as soon as Devastator showed up and mashed the surrounding vehicles. They were people running in every witch direction, hence the 'dense' population ... they thinned out.
     
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    Where did you get that from? The city they were in was Mission City. That's supported by the other fiction and materials based upon the movie AND supported by the writers - at their Botcon 2007 panels they said the original intent behind taking the All Spark to the city was not to "hide" it there, but to simply use Mission City as a rendezvous point -- someplace relatively near the dam that might have a working radio they could use to call for help. IIRC this was reiterated in Roberto Orci's last postings on the movie board.

    Erm, they mean how quickly time passes in the scenes, not over the course of the movie.

    Eg, Lennox's Ranger unit arrives at the base in the afternoon, Blackout enters their airspace sometime in the late afternoon. Lennox chats to his wife on the HP Video Phone Thingy. Blackout takes a very long time to arrive to the base (remember he's a flier) as it is now early in the evening as he lands an surrounded by soldiers. Lennox's call is jammed. It is now DEAD OF NIGHT when Colonel Sharp orders Blackout to stand down. Lennox finally comes out of the tent during the attack. So it seems Lennox hung around in the communications tent for a very long time after his connection was lost.

    In reality, this *might* be part of Bay's budget-concious, fast-filming style, and his penchant for filming scenes against sunsets. He basically set up the scene so that Blackout arrives at the base at sunset, but then time passes rapidly from his arrival to his eventual transformation and attack at night. He probably shot a good number of the scenes for Blackout's landing in a single day, then continued on to shoot the scenes of Blackout's transformation (imagined transformation) and parts of the attack in the same night.
     
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    You know, in my area, you pretty much have to take freeways anywhere. There is a lot of traffic jams. Why? Well, after 20 minutes of backed up traffic, you finally come across an officer who pulled over someone. The cop car has flashing lights. As soon as you pass the flashys, traffic moves at full speed again. This happens whever there are flashing lights. My point is, people are intranced by flashy things and traffic is backed up because people have to stop and oogle the scene. The only reason they are moving at all is that they are on a freeway. Now, people in an office or walking down a street- they would stand there, amazed. Forever, or until Megatron flicks them.
     

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