is the Franchise heading for a recession or stagnation?

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  1. artiepants

    artiepants Misses readable TF comics

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    With the focus on Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black Series, I’m REALLY surprised Hasbro hasn’t piloted an attempt at 6” G.I. Joes.
     
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    WishfulThinking "Don't touch it! It's evil!"

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    I think that's coming. But they're waiting for a new Joe movie to drop.
     
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    Maybe.

    The current CEO is the first one to be an outsider from the Hassenfeld family, so he doesn't have that personal connection to the brand. All he sees is Alan Hassenfeld spending over a decade trying to get it to sell during his tenure as Hasbro CEO and failing. Time after time. His dad made GI Joe 12" sell. His brother sold ARAH like it was made of plastic crack. Alan took over when his brother died and he couldn't make either of those vintage lines sell or any of the various other attempts.

    Meanwhile, Mattel has two military Megabloks lines that sell perfectly well: Halo (Sci Fi military, but still military) and Call of Duty.

    There's no excuse why GI Joe couldn't work with the same format. Even reviving GI Joe Adventure Team could sell, with both military and classic pulp adventure missions. They could use Joe Colton and Alex Mann as co-leads in a buddy adventure series for dual Joe/Action Man revival.
     
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  4. SG Roadbuster

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    The 4 inch army man action figure does sell. The True Heroes stuff that was always at toys r us. Was obviously profitable to keep itself going. So why does gijoe keep dying?
    (Maybe it's because Hasbro keep releasing the same dozen characters, and doesn't innovate)
     
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    hell even the joe knockoff brand the corps seems to sell well enough since they've been consistently on walmart shelves for damn near 2 decades
     
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    lol But seriously, that's what worries me about Transformers. We're seeing this same pattern repeat itself in TFs.
     
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    somewhat, but we just had 4 years of semi-to-extremely obscure characters, MOST of whom had never been revisited since G1 across the Prime Wars trilogy with familiar faces peppered in there (they really overdid Prime + those CW Autobot cars no one asked for) and that trend continues with Micromasters and Weaponizers (and Flywheels!) in Siege even if the focus is on those aforementioned familiar faces. I actually can't believe we're not getting Bumblebee given they've hit basically every other A-list icon of the franchise. (Megatron/Starscream/Soundwave/Prime).

    I think Cyberverse and the various ancillary products/lines where the focus is ALWAYS the icons is where the potential for the dilution, character oversaturation and franchise fatigue is really a concern.
     
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    Which goes back to my original post here that TFs aren't going through a "recession/stagnation" but is getting close to entering one. The heavy emphasis on G1 is the cycle that can lead to that while also "proving" the confirmation bias of "well, G1 sells" that continues the G1 cycle again and again.
     
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    The issue isn't the character choices of GI Joe, it's the lack of any good fiction. TFs have had TONS of series that are at least good enough to stick with the kids that have watched them. GI Joe is two shit movies recently, a comic nobody read, and in a kids eyes the expensive version of The Corps figures. THAT is GI Joe's problem. It's funny that Marvel lines recycle iconic characters and still sell, yet you think TFs will magically drop off the planet for not pasting the market with obscure nobodies.
     
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    Transformers is kind of moving into that issue too. You have the subpar, underperforming movies and the kiddy oriented RiD and Cyberverse series but virtually nothing in regard to the audience over the age of ten. The closest we have are the comics.
     
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    Ehhhhhh, I'd say that's par for the course, and the superhero medium on all fronts is doing fine. TFs will do just fine.
     
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    Cyberverse is decent to say the least. but yeah from so much ending we will most likely have a slight resession in the brand where it will have a high chance of either being dropped for a couple of years or it would just disappear. but one thing is on the horizon, IDW willl still have the comic rights so theres a chance of a new continuity
     
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    Chance? They’ve confirmed a new continuity. Generations is planned through 2021, most shows run for 3 years minimum so cyberverse is good for awhile. Movies? Bee might start a new continuity. 4 new things starting this year and you think everything is ending?
     
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    like I said chance because by 2020 if the bee movies isn't sucsessful the main light media will not look at it as much then who knows how the econemy will be in 2021 but the chance is suchas small chance
     
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    You read that wrong. Basically what they said was "IDW's Roberts' run is ending, Transformers is over! Finished!"
     
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    Bee will be successful if for no other reason than it’s comparably small budget. The movies will continue wether they are a full reboot or a sequel to bumblebee
     
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