Is nerd and genre fiction and culture a bit sexually repressed???

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  1. gregles

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    Can anyone here think of an occasion when you saw someone on a geeky forum (like ours) have a rage fit when someone else brought up the subject of sex or sexuality? if you answer no to be honest I will pass out with shock or this must be your first time on the internet.

    fans can fly into rages over anything from the suggestion that there was a homosexual undertone to the lord of the rings trilogy or that there is anything rude about skin tight latex clad muscle bound buff men and super heroines in skimpy underwear numbers prowling the streets. It seems that what should be a healthy, natural and fun thing between consenting adults is seen as something open to criticism if portrayed in genre fiction

    Its not just fan reaction I heard batman creators introduced bat girl to undermine a suggestion that batman was the ultimate gay fantasy. Horror genre has gone the whole way and has a tradition of murdering any character which dares to enjoy sex. there is a the odd exception like say trueblood but most genre shows seem go down more star trek route of striving to be pretty asexual with most couples being almost a bit best friend or brother and sister like rather than rampant flirting couple.

    I know I am making some sweeping generalisations rather than strict factual based debate in these examples and I don't mean to offend. I just feel I have noticed this trend and I wonder if you have seen it too and if you agree why do you think these things are the way they are?
     
  2. SouthtownKid

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    I think you are oversimplifying and getting the wrong message out of that. The importance of nudity and sex in horror movies is that they represent the ultimate expression of life. And horror movies can be said to be about the inevitable triumph of death over life.

    Anyway, about your original question, yeah, there is a lot of repression in our culture. I can think of a few examples right on this forum within the past few days. Starting with the guy in the Dredd movie topic who wanted to know if there was nudity in the movie, in which case he planned to avoid it. Meanwhile being perfectly fine with all the gore and violence in the same movie. Our culture's sensibilities are completely off-kilter and unhealthy. I have to say reading that guy's posts kind of disturbed me.
     
  3. Overlord Balder

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    Well, I can't give a definitive answer, but I think a chunk of those cases were because there genuinely wasn't any "sexual undertone" intended in the original work [or people reasonably think there wasn't and the author is secretly stealth-ing the shit out of everything], so people will go "The Hell's wrong with you" when such implications are put forward.

    Exempli Gratia: I highly doubt Sam and Frodo were meant to be gay in LOTR [assuming that's what you're talking about, since that's what most people say] because [to me, that is] they just sound like very close friends. So the implication just seems "What the Hell?" to me. Also, a few people might get annoyed because they actually like how the story is about friendship and brotherhood, and think that making the relationship romantic would just miss the entire point of the tale.

    Making it clear this is just a partial explanation for a few cases. Other people may have different motivations.

    On slasher movies, well, you see, people like sins. They're relatable and understandeable ways of making a character fall [be they heroes or villains], it so happens that Lust is one of the most famous sins to do that kind of thing [alongside Pride, which also gets people killed very often in slasher movies: See the moronic jock who thinks he can face the killer by himself and promptly gets beheaded], because humanity is, for the most part, very interested in Sex. The audience can easily catch on on how they died and so forth.

    Add to that the dehumanization that often happens in most slasher movies [the victims are not to be seen as humans, but as pigs in a slaughterhouse] and you'll see why they die so often: The goal is making humans into animals, simplifying us to our core [therefore, we become sex-addicted cowards fighting for survival], so "our" death will be easily understandeable.

    Summing up: Everyone understands Lust. Lust is simple. Slasher movie-humans are simple. Therefore, easy to use to kill them [much like Pride]. That and, of course, it's an easy way to show that lust is bad for you [thank you, Movie Captain Obvious].

    As for more general things [such as tv couples, as you say], some people just don't see much reason for adding sexual intercourse, or fear [reasonably or not] that it might distract the viewer from what's important [the writing, not the sex scenes]. Much like why most stories don't have ultra gory violence.

    And of course, Moral Guardians are relentless.

    EDIT: Southdown kid also has a point.
     
  4. Eigo Risu

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    no, for the simple reason that someone who agrees with a potentially contentious point will read it, agree, and move on without (much) comment. someone who disagrees will fly into a ten paragraph ragefest, so you're far more likely to see those responses than the former.
     
  5. gregles

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    I didn't say sexual intercourse absolutely had to be portrayed (even though I don't think it would do much harm) its more the fact that there doesn't seem much sexual chemistry and flirting in science fiction couples. I mean to me Han solo and princess leia where pretty unique for me as the characters did seem to actually fancy each other and seemed more credible, believable and real to me as a consequence. I would have loved star wars to have had more characters like this rather than the prequels giving us cold pious asexual usual science fiction types. Its for these reasons that from what I have seen of trueblood (I have seen all of season 1 and most of season 2) it seems a more believable real world and society by portraying human behaviour with all its flaws and dirty bits left in rather than glossed over
     
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    That wasn't specifically the nerd/genre fiction culture being sexually repressed. That happened in the 1950s after the publication of Seduction of the Innocent, leading to the appearance of the original Batwoman/Batgirl (not the Barbara Gordon version), when society and the culture in general were more sexually repressed.
     
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    As someone who does get annoyed at "LotR is gay" comments, I can say that for me, the root lies in perverting the original work for a cheap joke.

    I can joke and I can laugh and I know there's the whole "Frodo goes to a big flaming vagina where he must insert his magical ring etc etc" and yes that's funny but things like LotR and many far Eastern forms of entertainment carry with them the sense of brotherhood, of friendship or male platonic love. Unfortunately in recent years it seems that two men cannot be anything more than just friends, that if it's anything more they are gay for each other and desperately want to bed them. I realise I can be a bit irrational about this but it does annoy me to the point of nerd raging on things. I'll be very general and put it down to Fangirls wanting to Ship everything and make everything a guy on guy fanfic. My GF reads a number of these fan fics and she's shown me a few so I'm not saying this without some shred of personal experience.

    Going back to LotR, Frodo and Sam's relationship is beautiful, it's two friends who go to hell and back and never give up on each other, even when one is being possessed by an evil ring and being a dick about it. To turn that into something gay just ruins the intended feeling.

    And to further the original point, yes, things are a bit muddled. We seem to be ashamed of the naked form and it's only ever used for laugh or for a thrill in an otherwise dull movie. It seems to be a Western thing and not just that but a mainstream Hollywood thing. There are plenty of movies made in America and UK (so in English essentially) where nudity is used to further a scene, present vulnerability of maybe purity, it's not used to excite or thrill but to enhance the overall experience and it generally works really well.

    And finally! It may be a little harsh but maybe some people are so against nudity as they have no sex life to speak of so the whole idea of naked bodies, be it sexual or not is repulsive in some way. Or they're asexual which can have the same result in some cases.
     
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    Again, it is not so much about harm than it is about personal writing choice. A few people just don't see the need in it [I can understand why you do, I'm merely explaining things].

    Well, I can understand why you want that, but as I said, it is something of a artistic choice.

    The key thing is that beliavable doesn't equal good [not saying they aren't good characters], necessairy [but yes, it tends to be a good thing] one might find a less flirty couple just as interesting. It all depends on the skill that the relationship is written.

    Well, Anakin and Padme, though a bit too angsty, seemed to lust pretty hard for each other.

    See my point above about being believable.
    And one could argue there are many levels of reality, there are people who go in relationships without flirting all that much or being physical, there are standard people who do what you've said, there are people who are lustful like Hell, there are people who are asexual [Fellow boardmember Scantron is an example, I believe], so forth. All of them can be shown, all depends on how well it is written.

    Though, again, I'd like to stress I'm not disagreeing with you, I am just explaining things.
     
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    I am trying to understand what the f you peeps are talking about, but I am too busy watching revenge of the nerds.
     
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    Horror movies have titties because teenage boys want to see titties.
     
  11. gregles

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    yeah sexuality bordering on the pornographic and often immature has been bubbling under the surface of genre fiction and media from the horror you mentioned, super heroines revealing costumes to modern games like dead or alive with the bouncy boobs and mortal kombat's silly costumes.

    It seems that we have the two extremes were its either totally removed or really silly and pornographic, Can a more realistic middle ground exist????
     
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    We better stop talking about movies we like, someone's bound to read it, and produce a remake of it.

    :p 
     
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    Hey, hey, hey... don't just say teenage boys. All boys (and Men) want to see titties damn it! Shit, even straight woman I know want to see boobs. Boobs, they can lead to world peace. I am telling you!

    Is there an in between?

    Trust me, no one wants real life in movies. That is why Avengers makes billions of dollars, and Indepent films doing exactly what you are saying make jack shit.

    Unless of course you want to see a 200 lbs. pimply woman getting seduced by a 300lb guy with shmegma.

    YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
     
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    Titties?! Where?!

    -jumps up and spills cereal everywhere-
     
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    A more realistic middle ground can easily exist, but a humanity that desires and appreciates it is far away, in my opinion. We need much more discussion and far less fear when it comes to sex in our every day socializing before our entertainment can depict it without being seen as pornographic or comedic.
     
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    I think people try to force sexuality into things where they aren't - an example being Transformers, with Transformers Prime - and what gets annoying is how people will argue with you until they're blue in the face that something is sexual when it's really, really not.

    I don't see anything sexual in Superhero movies other than the typical flirtation which serves more or less as humor. I don't see Batman as some big homosexual undertone romp. I don't see Frodo and Sam as being the ultimate in the closet couple. Instead, I see an adaptation of a superhero on the big screen with things changed to make it more appealing to a movie-going audience, and in Lord of the Rings, I see a journey of two best friends thrust in to a situation where they are the only ones who can save their entire world.

    You want sex in cinema? Brokeback Mountain. There's all your homosexual undertones, all your sexual cliches, all of it in a single movie ADVERTISED as such. But stop forcing your (used in a general sense) sexual views and/or fantasies into something that doesn't actually have any of it.
     
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    I think you are diving a bit to much into the psychological aspect of mythology.

    If writer's intended for sex? Whatever they where writing, would have sex in it.

    Think about it this way, Kevin Smith dude is a super geek/nerd. His movies are very sexual, and very nerdy. To even go down to beg the question of a, "Kryptonite Condom".

    So, when you say that the Geekdoms are sexually repressed, not really... If the nerdom wants sex? We get sex. Rule 34 for instance, is totally a thing.

    Also, you do have to bare in mind, for a large ammount of media to be published? Sexual tones have to be underlined.

    Unless you are Family Guy, and South Park... then you get a get out of jail free card...
     
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    this thread is annoying
     
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    Point proven!
     
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