Is Brawl called Devastator in the USA version???

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  1. Red leader

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    Just noticed when seeing the movie for the 2nd time that when starscream summons the deceps that Brawl refers to himself as devastator, just wondered what the deal is with this
     
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    Yes, I think this is going to be fixed for the DVD.
     
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    Yep, same here.....I noticed that the first time I saw it.....and it was the same way the second, third.....so-on and so-on.....

    Looks like they made a "boo-boo" in the movie.....cause if the toy was named wrong, they would have corrected that by now.....at least one would think they would have....
     
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    Unless they can't. When was the last time any toy was marked "Devastator" by itself or without a suffix type ending of maximus?
     
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    I personally hope not.

    Though, I think I'm the only one that likes the "change." ^_^
     
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    Considering how much characterisation the decepticons got - it could have been called anything - "A.N.Other" Decepticon.

    At least if Bay fixes it for the DVD release - there is the possibility to have Devestartor proper in a sequel.

    Also - all of the merchandise says "Brawl" so it would make sense to fix it.
     
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    yeap, well there's your director's cut ;) 
     
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    The Classics Devastator was just Devastator, although the toy was a repaint.
     
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    Sweet, good then they do still have the name, unless it was actually called, "Classics Devastator" or some such minor name, or "constructicon team devastator" or "decepticon devastator" or "Constructicon Devastator".

    I really doubt it'll be changed on the DVD as everyone says. Bay stated outright he chose to use that name on purpose. It was cooler, and has more destruction to it.

    Keep in mind, Paramount owns these bots essentially, not Hasbro. The movie makers in the movie-verse make all the decisions. Not the other way around. It's bay's vision, not Hasbro's.

    While Hasbro owns the brand and the intellectual rights, bay is the one making the film and making all the calls. He's stated blatantly it was not an error. Until the DVD is released or script writers come forward on it and state outright about it, it's hasbro's flub up, not the movie's. Even the script writer's I don't think will know for sure though, as Bay himself wrote the bot dialogue (allegedly) in post production. If that's true, only he knows the answer for sure, and it is his film. It's "Michael Bay's Transformers", not "Michael Bay Presents Hasbro's Transformers." Plus 'Brawl' does have many Devastator nuances to his designs outside the gestalt nature. But as someone else has pointed out, nothings stopping them from bringing him back from the depths. Or reworking his repairs into making him a gestalt.
     
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    The Classics release was called 'Constructicon Devastator'.

    Hasbro made no 'flub up' - its their franchise, their brand, their characters. Paramount owns the rights to make the film in association with Hasbro, and the names that the writers give to characters MUST be names Hasbro agrees with. If its soley Paramount's and Michael Bay's film, then Hasbro would have no say whatsoever, which is clearly not the case.
     
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    Bay was just being an asshole or he forgot. Its Hasbro's Transformers, not his.

    EDIT: Almost forgot, at one point while Brawl's design was WELL under way, he had the working name of Demolishor, another Decepticon tank. His design has nothing to do with Devastator, and Devastator was just one of several names they went through.

    Even Blackout was named Devastator.
     
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    Hasbro owns the property, but because of paramount's involvement for example, they can't even switch the heads on the toys if they wanted to(they can the color schemes though). It's bay's transformers, or more accurately the movie-verse is paramount's not hasbro's while yes hasbro probably does get royalties and more out of it, it's the contract that decides it. If the media says Devastator, then that's what it is. The toys are supposed to follow suit, or should I list the numerous mistakes in the past including production of Primes/Primals in toylines that never existed in their designated media? Hasbro may have wanted them to use Brawl for name purposes to avoid the issue now, but in the end as I said, it's Bay's movie, his 'vision'. He's already made it quite known that Murphy and Desanto didn't contribute quite as much as they claimed. Even pointing out Murphy's direct lying about the film in instances.

    In hollywood contracts it has an exact term that escapes me right now. But essentially, it's like if we have Autobot Jazz, or another Downshift figure, of course WE know the figure is really Jazz(poor example), or wheeljack, and in the media they can call them by the direct name, but unless they have the copyright, the toy must be called something else.

    Let's use Hot Rod as an example. Major Rodimus, Rodimus, Hot Rodimus. Hot Rod itself is gone for now copyright wise from hasbro's use. But in cartoon form, they can use it freely for a name, or in movie. Just the toy itself can't be named that. The media and the toys work on two different levels of intellectual copyrights, just generally they attempt to make them match as to not confuse the kiddies and parents.

    Decepticon Devastator might be too long for a package, or too wordy in their eyes to use. Or maybe at this point, they just don't think it matters as it's quite obvious since he was the only tank in movie. Also Decepticon Brawl is only 15 letters, Decepticon Devastator is 20 letters long. Then there's also the possibility they only currently have 'Constructicon Devastator' in the copyrights, as they had to resubmit the changes to Brawl's name to decepticon brawl when it was turned down at first by itself, and they don't want several versions of the same name recopyrighted with minor differences. Well, barring prime.

    Blackout was also named incenerator, Soundwave and more as well. All the bots were interchangeable name wise during their production. But all of them do have minor nuances from the various namesakes.
    Both Barricade and Blackout still have minor Soundwave nuances to them, among many other minor tidbits to each. The soundwave aspects are noticeable only in the head (crest, mouth, and eyes) of Blackout mostly, plus his use of scorponok, the em pulse to knock out communications, and again the PC hacking. but barricades is more prevalent with his chest use of frenzy, and headcrest as well, Including goldish mouth piece. And his use as recon.
    And lets not forget to mention the miscoloring of all the frenzy toy eyes, similiar to the original Frenzy Rumble mishap way back in the 80s.

    'Brawl' has Devastator's head though, only the top is slightly pushed down farther, and he also shares many of the same traits. Even kind of a small amount of mirroring to the amount of firepower needed in the animated movie to bring him down. Also in conjunction with the fact biggest decepticon is a three way tie between him, blackout and megatron, it's understandable why Blackout would tentatively also hold the name devastator briefly while they ironed out the designs more and more.

    But, the only thing that will put this to bed is the DVD's release, or how they incorporate (if they do) the constructicons in the next film.

    Honestly, it almost makes one wonder if some of these 'errors' weren't on purpose, some of them mirror too closely to events in the original G1 production history of the toys.
     
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    Oops, double post.
     
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    Ahh I see.
     
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    They already used the names "Bonecrusher" & "Devastator" in the 1st movie. So I hope they're smart enough to simply go with a different combiner like Menasor or Bruticus. (If they even bother to use combiners at all.)
     
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    same thing in the German version. Don't know why they call him Devastator in the movie and Brawl as a toy. Brawl was the tank of the Combaticons which makes sense referring to a G1 character that was also a tank with 3 cannons.
    Devastator is a nice name for such a tuned M1 tank though =)
     

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