Ironhide should have died in the first shot

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Minh'T, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Dinobot747

    Dinobot747 Chopperface

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    I the novel (was it the novel, or the comic?) Megs apparently ate Jazz's spark. That is what I like to beleive happened in the movie.
     
  2. Minh'T

    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    First i think Frenzy is different. I think His spark is on his head maybe i think. Maybe the same thing is happened with Igor

    Yeah true I agree with you about the chest thing. There should have no spark chamber to repower.

    This is what i meant. They are too hard on Ironhide.
     
  3. seekerblackout

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    Really? Do you have proof?

    When did it go through his body? I saw him get shot in his chest. And how wouldn't he be able to talk? His vocal processors weren't hit, and Optimus talked even after being shot through the chest.
    That's simply because he got UNBELIEVIBLY lucky.

    Then how does the Energon in their bodies flow? And how do we know that every transformer's spark is in the same area? And yes, there are COUNTLESS ways for how Jazz could die from that.
    -Spark could have been torn apart
    -Could've leaked to death instantly
    -Could have had fatal wires torn
    etc. etc.
     
  4. Minh'T

    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    I think you are trying to turn this into an argument, so the best way to prevent this is shut up and stop posting. I give you every resonable evidence. Stop opposing them
     
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    seekerblackout Banned

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    You didn't give me ANY evidence. At all.
     
  7. Minh'T

    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    =;
     
  8. seekerblackout

    seekerblackout Banned

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    No, I will not. I am trying to discuss something logical, and telling me to shut up is not discussing a damned thing.
     
  9. Silk Spectre

    Silk Spectre The Evil Queen

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    :thumb  This. Absolutely.


    They chose to do it how they wanted to do it - logic need not apply.

    This is similar to the issues of the fight scenes: a character's too weak, then the character's too strong, etc....

    There are no continuity/consistency rules in these movies with things like this.
     
  10. Barricade24

    Barricade24 Decepticop Artist

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    Didn't you tell him to shut up? So in a way, this is kind of ironic.

    On topic here, I have noticed that one transformer is ripped in half--Jazz--and another has the same experience--Mixmaster. So how can one die from being ripped in half and the other not? Well we know Mixmaster was sliced in half by Jetfire and got his head kicked off and yet I believe he survived. Think about it if your like Frenzy you can survive without your body. But that also brings into account Grindor. How could he survive this? Answer: he didn't. Why? Well if your head is still intact you can still operate. But remember that Optimus literally ripped his head in half. So that is not to say his spark was in his head but Grindor basically lost his brain. Without a brain or processor in this case how can you function?

    As for Ironhide, it looked like Sentinel shot a little higher above the spark and didn't directly hit it. So that could be why Ironhide didn't die in the first shot. It also could be that the weapon wasn't at full power and didn't impact as much damage as it could. I would also like to note that Ironhide is a tough Autobot so naturally one shot wouldn't be enough to take him down. And second, Ironhide died from rust not a shot. But the rust consumed his spark.
     
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    You mean the issue that every single TF series in existance has?
     
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    Could be the rusting agent just splashed across his chest and took a few seconds to eat its way into his spark chamber. If that's the case, he could probably feel his armor and internal structure dissolving and corroding, until it hit his spark chamber, which I'm sure was even more excruciating. So basically it could be the rust cannon is a weapon that doesn't kill instantly, but rather puts it's target through an agonizing death that there isn't any way to stop, and leaves no known chance for ressurrection.

    Hi Ironhide Fans!
     
  13. Minh'T

    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    This
    And i think your right i look it closer again i think the shot didn't directly hit the spark.
     
  14. Bountyan

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    But then we wouldn't get to see him die by rusting and his head rolling off!
     
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    Ironhide should have died in the first movie.


    And Jazz should have lived.
     
  16. Chromia217

    Chromia217 I luv Mark Hamill

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    This thread is depressing.
     
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    I think he fired multiple shots due to Ironhide being one shotted in the novel. That same scene Skids and Mudflap were killed too...not sure if that matters =\
     
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    Stockade187 Decepticon Junkie

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    And there you have it folks......

    People have been shot in vital areas such as head, chest & abdomen & have survived. Why can't a "fictional" alien robot survive a "FICTIONAL MOVIE" shot?
     
  19. Silk Spectre

    Silk Spectre The Evil Queen

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    Never said anything about any previous TF series, shows, books, etc..... I was only speaking about the movies and their inconsistency. Whatever the rest do or do not do is irrelevant.
     
  20. Shepard Prime

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    Neither should have died and they (Paramount/ILM) should've sprung the cash for one more redherring robot to be the casualty.

    I mean, the core group of the TFs in the first movie were all fan favs. No one in that party could've ate it and we'd feel good about it. lol. Prime, Ironhide, Bee, Jazz and Ratchet...yup, they definetly needed a token 'bot to take the hit.

    Also, Megatron ate Jazz's spark? I haven't read the movie novel yet, only the DotM one.

    Haven't the Transformers always been fairly inconsistent in how much damage they can take across the various comics all the way back t othe Marvel series?
     

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