First, I've had no real problems with any normal deluxes, or Leader Prime, or real gear toys, so they all seem great to me. Anyways, I wanted to give everything a chance, so I also picked up FAB Ironhide. Well... first, he is pretty odd and has some really bad arm articulation. But I don't know about everyone else, but the plastic seems VERY light and fragile, actually a lot like some plastic I have seen used for a couple of KO's I have. I hope this isn't a new trend for Hasbro, considering they charge just as much for these as normal Deluxes. Now I also have Voyager Ironhide, and I have to say I was thinking he would be easily one of my favorites from the early images and reviews. Well, I am dissapointed. He looks great, when everything is holding together, but there are several leg panels, and the back parts of the doors, that are completely loose and just dangle. His upper torso pops loose if I try to move his arms in a backwards direction, and his shoulders come loose very easily. Now, if I am doing something wrong, someone please let me know, because Hasbros intructions are a tiny outline of how he actually transforms. Also, a trend I noticed with the movie deluxes is that these toys are much more hollow then Cybertron or Classics. I was hoping that was just the deluxes, which are small and work fine still and have lots of molding detail to makeup for it. But I was surprised they are doing this with the voyagers. He is extremely light in comparison to Cybertron or Classics voyagers and you can tell he is a bit more hollow. I know there are a lot of people defending the movie line to the death, and trust me, I just spent $300 on them, so I want to like them to. I just wanted to see if it isn't just me with these problems. Still though, I love the leader Prime and deluxes so far, just my first open voyager and FAB are terribly dissapointing, and I wanted to kind say that the review sections don't seem to be covering all the issues I am seeing.