Interesting that Optimus struggled to stop Megatron TF1, and sentinel DOTM

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  1. megatron6661

    megatron6661 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone find it interesting, that optimus struggled to stop both megatron and sentinel prime when both these villain's were at the peak of their powers.

    Many have said about TF1 fight between optimus and megatron, that it was the budget and PPL in the city has reason's why optimus struggled to stop megatron, but this is bay. I do not buy into the reason that micheal bay had been given a limited budget for a big blockbuster film, especially transformers. But bay seemed to go down the path that megatron would get weaker after TF1, but megatron at his best was just has good of a warrior fighter has any prime. Interestingly that it took sam to put the cub in megatron's chest, or megatron could have killed optimus

    This happened again in DOTM, sentinel's experience and his fighting skills did prove to get the better of optimus, yes the shield was a big help but optimus has 2 weapon's over sentinel, adding the fact sentinel did spare optimus's life in Washington. Anything optimus hit at sentinel, the original leader's counter attacking skills was a deadly factor in their battle. And again like in TF1 optimus needed help, that megatron shooting sentinel by luck saved optimus's life

    So what does everyone else think? that optimus struggling with the 2 main villain's at the peak of their power's in both films? and strangly optimus needed help in TF1 and DOTM to defeat both megatron and sentinel, it was not always optimus on his own that won the fight in the 2 films
     
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    That's just it, Optimus isn't the strongest Transformer. He's up there, but Megatron in his original body and Sentinel were both physically superior. Megatron was, well, Megatron and Sentinel was the Prime before Optimus.
     
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    Well, I think that the only reason Optimus was able to beat Megatron in ROTF is because Megatron was composed of parts from a weaker Decepticon; he wasn't in his prime form, like in the first film; he was slower in his second form, so Optimus could easily out-maneuver him. However, I will admit that Megatron still retained his top-notch firing strength in his second form, but what good is it when he's too slow to hit Optimus? As for Sentinel, well, he was stronger and more skilled in battle. That's my opinion.
     
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    What is frustrating for megatron, was that in DOTM when he rebuilt himself he regained his speed, but lost his other parts that made him complete in TF1. That he lost his firepower and his flying ability, you look how he ripped sentinel apart that was typical of TF1 megatron would do to optimus in a physical fight. It is a shame we never got all 3 of optimus megatron and sentinel all at the peak of their power's, that how would the fight pan out.
     
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    Why then didnt Optimus rip Megatron's spine out centuries before on Cybertron?

    Either Optimus grew much stronger when he was on Earth or Megatron got really weak.

    Same thing for Sentinel...he could have killed Megatron as well it seems, eons ago.

    As for Megatron...it was said that only a Prime could kill the Fallen...but what if Megatron prepared a mega huge nuke strike to rain on the Fallen's head?

    I think not even he would have survived that...more so considering the poor guy was strapped to a chair xD
     
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    This observation is the exact reason why the argument "movie Optimus is too overpowered" is ludicrous, misguided, and wrong.

    I have mentioned this before on these boards. Movie Optimus has lost nearly as many battles as he has won:

    Movie 1 (Record: 1-1):

    ~Beat Bonecrusher
    ~Lost to Megatron

    ROTF (Record: 4-1-1):

    ~Beat Demolishor (w/ Ironhide)
    ~Beat Grindor
    ~Draw with Starscream
    ~Lost to Megatron (DEATH!)
    ~Beat The Fallen (w/ Jetfire parts)
    ~Beat Megatron (w/ Jetfire parts)

    DOTM (Record: 4-3-1)

    ~Draw with Driller/Shockwave
    ~Beat Driller
    ~Loss to Shockwave (cables)
    ~Beat Shockwave (w/ Army)
    ~Loss to Sentinel Prime (x2, saved by Sentinel mercy and Megatron)
    ~Beat Megatron
    ~Beat No-Name Clones

    So, overall, he has a record of 9-5-2.

    However, what's even more telling is that if you take away any "enhancements", "advantages", or "help", he is 5-5-2!

    This is exactly why I KNOW that Movie Optimus Prime is a balanced, normal guy fighter. He is not unstoppable. He is vulnerable.

    I have a whole other argument about why he is not a cold blooded killer either....but I will save that for the appropriate thread. :) 
     
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    Back when Megatron was in his prime form (the form he had in T1), none of the Autobots or Decepticons could defeat him. However, in the second and third films, he was no longer in his prime form, hence he was slower and weaker and could be defeated by Optimus and Sentinel.

    As for The Fallen saying that only a Prime could defeat him, what he meant is that only Primes are immune to his supernatural abilities (telekinesis, instantaneous travel, etc.); so, Primes were more of a challenge in battle. What he said didn't really have much to do with shear strength, speed, or fighting skill, but with the applicability of his supernatural powers. This is why Megatron could defeat Optimus, but not necessarily defeat the Fallen. Though Megatron could defeat Prime, he isn't immune to the supernatural abilities of the Fallen, like Optimus.

    This is all just my own conjecture.
     
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    Megatron did NOT get weaker... Optimus got stronger. In TF1 he stood there and let Megatron shoot him. He definitely got stronger, Megatron was the same. And then, in DoTM, Optimus repeatedly bashed his sword into Sentinel's head. And then he stabbed right next to his neck... It looked to me like he was trying to disarm him, and not kill him.
     
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    Megatron definitely got weaker, at least from the first film to the second film. He was composed of parts from a weaker Decepticon in the second film and was noticeably slower. Watch the fight in the forest; compare how slowly he moves to how quickly he moves in T1. In TI, he's very swift and relatively agile; in T2, he's very bulky and subsequently slow. He's definitely weaker in T2.
     
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    Megatron did get weaker, one example, optimus and megatron's fight in TF1, optimus shoots megatron it had very little effect on megatron, then megatron shoots prime and prime goes flying into a building. Fast forward to their battle at the factory, optimus shoots megatron and megs goes flying through the window, which shows megatron's resilient body that is basically like a shield to him is not has strong has his original form in TF1. Look when they combat in the final few minutes, megatron is dodging hits and in the end wears down prime, and megs in the end just kicks prime in the head showing his dominance, which shows why he won the war on their home planet.

    On the optimus and sentinel fight, sentinel much like TF1 megatron, his physical body and shield are built for the big hits, so anything optimus was going to hit sentinel with are going to be very resilient to this. Also it was not a smart move trying to disarm sentinel when he is very much hitting his shield, adding the fact sentinel is the smartest transformer at counter attack hits. And trying to disarm sentinel almost leads to optimus's death, now the way megatron disarms sentinel was the only way at getting to sentinel, because it needed 2 transformers to defeat sentinel he was that tough to beat.
     
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    but The Fallen is like 1 million years old
     

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