If Jack can use the Key to Vector Sigma

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  1. Quirriff

    Quirriff Well-Known Member

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    Could is be reasonable that he now has the 'Prime gene' (for the lack of a better term) to use Items like the Forge of Solos Prime?

    Megatron seems to recognise him as an enemy instead of an annoying vermin, as he does other humans....After his encounter in Rock Bottom...(Mentioned in One shall rise) and more importantly in Orion Pax pt 3.
     
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    If he can even lift if you mean. :lol 

    I think it only applied to being able to use the key.


    jD001
     
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    Moonlight1102 Banned

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    The Forge is like 100 times his size. He'd have better luck picking up Arcee.
     
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    Jack wasn't a Prime, he never was, he was Optimus' surrogate. His connection to the Primes, the key and Optimus most likely ended right then and there.

    Vector Sigma gave him the knowledge of the Primes and he gave it to Orion. When he returned that knowledge to Orion, everything Vector Sigma and Optimus had given to him should have returned to Optimus, ending the duty he was charged with and his connection to the Primes.
     
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    Moonlight1102 Banned

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    Jack Darby Prime, leader of the Autobots.

    Has a catchy theme to it. :3
     
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    The Hammer could change its size to adapt Jack´s, like the Key. It´s a mystical artifact, after all.
     
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    would the tcogs etc he built be smaller then too?

    Minicons!


    Minicon combiners!



    Jack Darby and the Minicon Minions?

    debut album : Get Primed

    :D 
     
  8. Quirriff

    Quirriff Well-Known Member

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    Well obviously he's not big enough or strong enough to use the Forge (unless it can shrink)...But theoretically he might be able to activate it, because of his exposure to the key / being able to use the key.

    Surely it's possible that the key added him to the authorised users list that's usually prime only. Since primes are linked to Vector Sigma it would stand to reason that prime artifacts are as well.

    Surely there's got to be some long term effects.
     
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    To quote Megatron in Operation Bumblebee Part 2 they needed a power of a prime to activate
    the Forge,
    so it's possible that Jack being in contact with the Forge will allow Megatron to go crazy and make has dread army.
     
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    cough
     
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    doomiscool Decepticon Medium

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    So Megatron should just strap Jack to the Forge of Solus Prime while he smashes away? :lol 
     
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    why not' it sounds fun
     
  13. Dargor

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    Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner :thumb 
     
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    Well, yeah...that's what I was thinking....I didn't think it had to be exclusively the forge though.
     
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    maybe megatron could kidnap jack in a future episode.
     
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    Likely no.

    It took Optimus, who is a Prime, to "lock" the Key to Jack.

    They never implied Jack could do anything with it outside of activate its basic function.

    It was Optimus who made that possible, not Jack. I don't think there's anything special about Jack beyond his bravery and spirit, which is why Optimus chose him.

    - Coeloptera
     
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    We know the key responds to Prime. And because of Prime, it responded to Jack. But does the key itself have some sort of sentience? What type of security system did the key to Vector Sigma have? How did it recognize Prime handing it to Jack?

    I think in a way we should wonder, how special these items are and how they recognize their bearers. Can Solus' hammer recognize the trust that Optimus placed in Jack? If that were the case, it may not be too difficult for such an item to pass itself on to Jack.

    Also, sentient objects aren't unheard of in literature. In TFA, I thought that the allspark had some sort of sentience as well. Maybe its the same with the key and the hammer.


    Then again, it might not be a security system at all. Maybe it needs some sort of energy from a Prime. Matrix energy?
     
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    Considering Raf is unusally intelligent and can somehow understand Bee, maybe there's something not quite normal about the kids.....
     
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    If the key can be made to respond to Jack's unique signature, surely it can do the same for a Primes, like Solus' hammer.

    In G1 Optimus select Ultra Magnus to succeed him; however, the Matrix chose Hotrod instead (for reasons I still don't quite get). In Transformers Prime, Cybertron (or Primus, if you prefer) chose Orion to be the next and last Prime. In any case, the Matrix is made/programmed to respond to one person, the chosen one. Galvatron and Ultra Magnus couldn't get the Marix of Leadership to work for them any more than Megatron could get Solus' hammer to work for him.

    Ratchet told us that Optimus chose Jack and that Jack alone could use the Key to Vector Sigma and access it when explaining to Agent Fowler and June why no else could go in Jack's place.

    If Optimus could some how pass the power down to others to operate Solus' hammer, I guess we'd see others able to access that too, but I find it unlikely. Solus' hammer is the ultimate weapon/tool. Why would a Prime allow just anyone to wield such a power? It is a power that no one, but a chosen few should be able to hold.

    I might be mistaken, but in the novels, couldn't only Solus build these crazy weapons she was tricked into making anyway?
     
  20. AquamanOS

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    It's worth nothing that Ultra Magnus only tried to use it against a bunch of cons, which certainly doesn't count as their "Darkest Hour" because they're fighting cons all the time, while Unicron attacking Cybertron and a galactic hate plague outbreak are more likely a situation that required the Matrix. Maybe Magnus could have opened it then. As far as taking the power of the Matrix to power themselves up that seemed to be unique to Hot Rod and Hot Rod alone since even Optimus was physically unchanged from using the Matrix.

    Or maybe it was just because Hot Rod touched it first (Optimus drops it and Hot Rod catches it and gives it to Magnus). Optimus dies the instant after this happens so presumably he didn't have the time to yell out "Oh crap it chooses the first person to touch it, sorry Magnus but Hot Rod is now in charge" in his last gasp of life.
     

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