I can't take this protoforms that fell to earth crap anymore. It's border line ******ed to me. Same goes for Prima(darling of the week now), the Thirteen Primes, Primus and any other half assed stuff that has come about since the days of G1. Honestly, is not an alien race creating a slave race that gained sentience and rose up against them much more believable than circuits crawling out of primordial ooze or Primus crashing into a asteroid and turning it into Cybertron? (not arguing G1 plot holes, but at least its a plausible story) (Unicron has no good origin period) Or making the Thirteen the "fathers" or the race? So take this poll and voice what u think, take all the realities and all the BS that comes with them, what comes down to the most believable scenario.